So I had been using Carbon Copy Cloner and even Time Machine in the past, but since upgrading to m1 and Ventura im lost.
Is there any way to clone your user and restore it in the event you need to erase and restore the system due to issues, or are you only able to restore files...and forced to re install all your apps again?
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MacBook Air 13″, macOS 13.0
GavrielTech wrote:
So based on this thread you can no longer clone a drive, regardless of the fact that even clones restored unto different drives requested that applications be re authorised based oh MACHINE ID numbers.
I rarely make bootable clones these days, but the last time I did with Big Sur (Intel) I had no issues, although there is always a chance some proprietary third party apps will need to be re-authorized depending on how they identify the system and how particular they are. Nothing new here though in that regard.
Anyway, the point iam making is we have to deal with it until a solutions comes about, my last questions are
1-what is the point of Time Machine if you cant restore apps or a user state?
It is to have a spare copy of a file available if needed. Perhaps many older versions will be available as well depending on the size of the backup drive to hold older versions of documents. Most backups are only concerned about the user data and perhaps system settings...it is rare that applications are included in backups because some of them actually tie themselves into the bowles of an OS and need to use an installer app which a backup won't be able to restore unless it is restoring a whole system image.
2-Has anyone successfully initialised their computer like an iPhone, re installed a fresh system and managed to then restore the user and all installed related programs and extensions?
If you migrate from another Mac, then yes this is theoretically possible. Migration Assistant transferred all my third party apps, most settings, and my data to my new Mac...it wasn't as easy as it should have been, but it has mostly worked out. You would need to reconfigure any iCloud & AppleID related settings though, and even Messages settings (I had to modify settings on my iPhone to change a setting on my new Mac's Messages app...there was no notification or warning this needed to be done).
Personally I would not rely on any bootable clone method these days even if it may still be possible even on the M1/M2 Apple Silicon Macs because the writing is on the wall....Apple will continue to increase security settings until it is no longer possible to clone a bootable drive. The Apple computers are becoming glorified iPads...can you clone an iPad? No. It would best to find another method which will achieve similar results. It would not surprise me in the least that one day Apple may even remove external boot methods altogether in the name of security. There are already signs that moving an external macOS boot drive between two different Macs may have some issues even now which are showing up as "ownership" issues.
HWTech wrote:
Ian Leckie wrote:
So yes, SuperDuper! works perfectly on Ventura, and is so simple to use! Fast, too. Cheers!
Was this an Intel or Apple Silicon Mac?
I just Tested SuperDuper latest
and it did not show as bootable in the Start up Manager...
verified the Startup Security Utility on a Mac with the Apple T2 Security Chip was set to "Allow."
No bueno.
2019 Intel MBP16,1 i9
Time machine is everything-but-OS I believe. CCC should work, I just don't have any experience with it.
Please see my reply to Keith Barkley below! Time Machine does not make bootable clones...for that I´d suggest trying SuperDuper! Cheers!
ok so its useless, better off using a normal hard drive and backing u to it cause Time Machine has all kinds of issues itself like corrupted files.
So the best solution back up a USER and System with apps is indeed CCC, but has anyone here actually try this?
Back up legacy to a HD, SSD, clean white your Mac, re install the system and restore the user / data and OS installs so its back u and running with very few things to authorise if any at all?
"thats what is meant by clone here,"
You might take it to mean that, but the rest of us mean a disk image that is an exact duplicate of another disk, and if it is an operating system, has the capability of booting and being used as a system disk.
this is exactly why I asked about this,
I guess its in the apple developer agreement that Apple can with out notice change its policies and isolate anything to their advantage., maybe the developers did not pay their dues or Apple simply wants to tae more control but regardless of all the we who paid for applications now find them useless, this is not fair practice if you ask me.
So based on this thread you can no longer clone a drive, regardless of the fact that even clones restored unto different drives requested that applications be re authorised based oh MACHINE ID numbers.
I understand that Apples security is to protect their profits from developers who are no longer under contract or paying their dues, nothing to do with user security, example Bluetooth devices that once worked on Mac are no longer supported, including Internel machine parts in older Macs.
Anyway, the point iam making is we have to deal with it until a solutions comes about, my last questions are
1-what is the point of Time Machine if you cant restore apps or a user state?
2-Has anyone successfully initialised their computer like an iPhone, re installed a fresh system and managed to then restore the user and all installed related programs and extensions?
other wise the only use Time Machine has is to back up docs, all your apps, installed programs you spent ages installing if your a multimedia editor, Audio video etc, plugins, blah blah have to be re install all over again..
so Time Machine or CCC cant do it then?
what if you have a user on a external SSD?
allot of people have external Users accounts and docs on a ext SSD while an admin on the internal
So then it's only super duper that works? cause its what is claimed here
2017 Intel iMac.
Sorry about that, no bueno indeed! I have a 2017 Intel iMac, and I´d forgotten all about the newer Silicon Macs when posting :(
have you also noticed that if you change your user password its sort of the same ordeal?
I had to re authorise some audio apps, all my logins vanished and the include keychains did don't seem to help
Can I clone my drive, erase and restore user and files with Time Machine in Ventura
