Issue with Proximity Sensor during calls - Continued v2

Common , send the poor guy some money he needs to pay his bills.
By the way what about you ? When was the last time when you took your medicine? Did you take an x-ray of your brain or you already know it looks the same ?
I remember , you do not have to repeat. Doctors told you to drink beer ,not to think too much and constantly repeat : " Everything will be fixed , Apple is Good , Apple remembers about you ". Take your medicine and go to bed time to repeat doctor's recomendation and sleep.
We remember you PS is working and you can sleep well.

This is LOL.

jppilot wrote:
MichaelNewYork. OCD.

Thank you. I was trying to find you for whole day. I Have remembered we had a doctor in house . Did you see your patients are waiting for you and they need you diagnostics. Please contact them ASAP so you can help them. This will be your medical contribution to the PS issue , since you can NOT contribute anything else.

Sorry OsoGrande........

Michael.....to say you are the intelligent equivalent of a gnat, is giving you too much credit........

No worries man, it happens to all of us. 😉

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MichaelEmpire wrote:

Just a theoretical thing to add that even we did not have the software logic behind the system the triggering on and off still be at the different distances , it is explained by the semiconductors nature of the PN junction or PIN structure.

And the last thing to add this is not exactly triggering on and off on the physical level of the semiconductor system used. The electric current changes in a certain range gradually even through the open PN junction or PIN structure and the system can also decide what action to take based on the level of the electric current through the sensor.

You certainly twist my words to fit your needs; and ignore other statements to do the same.

But the last paragraphs say it all. LOL. Complex logic that says nothing. Believe me I've worked in this field for a very long time.

Nothing of interest here...time to move on.

Sorry if I twisted something from what you said and I am not questioning you have some experience. Just let's concentrate on the subject. Please shoe me every statement where you think I am wrong about how the proximity sensor work and I will be more than happy to review it and answer.
But I really read everything you said about the way system works and I simply do not agree with you.
I actually do know the algorithm as well but only trying to focus on the main points. I agree " Complex Logic " is not self explained as long as you understand that I can not agree that there no logic.

Man , I see Apple supply you all with a lot of PR materials. Since we already understood you are Apple PR agent just brief us is this what Apple now issued instead of ios 4.1 ; or it is still Beta ?
But probably you would be correct it is also should be enough to fix PS . Unfortunately you would not know that , since you never had a lucky chance to see such an issue.

Did Apple paid for you brain MRI or you had to pay yourself to be Apple agent ?

RAOFLMAO

Reports (read rumors) coming out of Apple that iOS4.1 is in the final stage of it's build for public release, and Apple confirm that the proximity sensor is still not patched. Report is attributed to Apple's Spokeswoman (Australia) Fiona Martin earlier today.

I think this is f'cking hilarious and it goes a long way towards vindicating MichaelEmpires belief that it is unfixable, and my position that it is a hardware fault that can only be sorted out by users not causing the problem.

Hope for you guys who experience this issue that this is wrong, but given the information available, I bet this is not a deny, deny, brush the issue under th carpet and f'ck'em issue.

People who have a faulty phone should at the very least (and as advised by many of the user here) get their money back as soon as, of just accept that you need to learn to use your phone differently or use one of the workarounds. The possibility of the fix coming is now dramatically reduced is reports from Apple are to be believed.

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/08/30/apple-confirms-iphone-4-proximity-sensor -glitch-still-not-patched/

And it's cropping up in MacInsider and iLounge and other forums too. Don't know who the original source is, or which of the reports is the one that all the others are copying, but it certainly appears to be the news that MichaelEmpire has been predicting for months now.

Malke of it as you will. Your need fpr hope and denial will be kicking in about now...

@Michael - I can see what you're saying, and Apple seem to be leaking the bad news slowly. We bth know there is not fix coming. But ranting like you do is not doing your credibility any good.

Firstly, you held credibility at the beginning when you were testing and contributing data. You were respoected for your analytical approach and the fact that you backed your conclusions up with observable fact. But you seem to have reached a conclusion (duff phone being sold fraudulently), and your actions now seem to be a crusade.

Secondly, when you rant you lose your ability and command with english. I realise it is a second language, but when you were more measured and analytical in your approach, you were far more coherent and capable in your written english. When you get enraged, your english slips, and is undermines your credibility further.

Take time to be constructive. By all means criticise and attack the stupidity of some of the posts that people put up. But do it in a measured and coherent way. That way you won't look foolish. It is possible to be absolutely correct and still come accross as a fool if you act in a certain manner.

By all account, Apple are now setting up the PS issue guys for a big fall. I'm sure if that comes to pass, none of them will admit you were right. But then that's their issue. They are the one's who can't figure out how to use their phones properly and have to live with it.

mbassoc2003 wrote:
and my position that it is a hardware fault that can only be sorted out by users not causing the problem.

If some users 'are not causing the problem to the phone' does this mean the phone is not faulty? Maybe i should buy an iphone and test it with my ears/face/long hair? And if so, is there a particular test I can do to quickly confirm if I am a 'faulty user' LOL. And what happens next year when i want to sell it especially when more people will know about this problem.

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Daddy Pig wrote:

mbassoc2003 wrote:
and my position that it is a hardware fault that can only be sorted out by users not causing the problem.

If some users 'are not causing the problem to the phone' does this mean the phone is not faulty? Maybe i should buy an iphone and test it with my ears/face/long hair? And if so, is there a particular test I can do to quickly confirm if I am a 'faulty user' LOL. And what happens next year when i want to sell it especially when more people will know about this problem.

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Selling on second hand is gonna be a problem for everyone. EBay description to include faulty antenna, no guarantee of reception and a requirement to always keep it in a case if you want it to work. It'll certainly be fun when the next incarnation comes round and we all want to recover as much as we can from our existing handsets.

I don't think there are people who are experiencing the fault but who are not causing the fault. I think it is an issue exactly like the antenna issue, in that the phone is designed badly and it's a case of 'don't hold it that way'. The vast majority of people had no issue with the antenna and have no issue with the proximity sensor, and yet Apple tried to 'patch' the antenna issue with spurious horsesh't that fixed f"ck all and then said, "there you go, now FO!", and Apple will deal with the proximity sensor issue in exactly the same way.

I suspect the unspoken word from on high is going to be, "It can't be fixed so stop holding it that way. If you must insist on doing it, there's an App for that. Now shut up and FO." But of course, it's far more politically sensible to just ignore the issue. It will go away and the new shiny phone will be out next year and outsell this model in astronomical numbers.

Didn't see where these had been posted, yet. Apologies if they have. If true, it doesn't sound like 4.1 will provide a fix.

http://www.9to5mac.com/23198/where-is-the-iphone-4-proximity-sensor-patch
http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/08/30/apple-confirms-iphone-4-proximity-sensor -glitch-still-not-patched/

+"Apple Australia spokeswoman Fiona Martin has acknowledged that the company has yet fix the proximity sensor issue, something that will have iPhone 4 users up in arms when they download the update, only to find the problems are still apparent."+

Cheers.
Vindication at last, but Apple may foil me yet.
The harbinger of doom says, "No can fix."
ROFLMAO

Yeah, that was in my inbox this morning. I really had to chuckle, especially with some muppet here telling people he was a developer for Apple and he'd fixed the problem. Some German selling the gullible snakeoit, but some peeps here are so desperate they'll buy into anything.

At least if everyone here keeps arguing about it, it might not go away. It does over inflate the problem somewhat, but so long as all the rant goes on, the problem will continue to be evident on the forum.

I agree. Nobody listened and everybody here seemed to lose their common sense.

another one..


http://www.9to5mac.com/23198/where-is-the-iphone-4-proximity-sensor-patch

or two...


http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/30/promise.goes.unfulfilled/

mbassoc2003 wrote:
RAOFLMAO

Reports (read rumors) coming out of Apple that iOS4.1 is in the final stage of it's build for public release, and Apple confirm that the proximity sensor is still not patched. Report is attributed to Apple's Spokeswoman (Australia) Fiona Martin earlier today.

I think this is f'cking hilarious and it goes a long way towards vindicating MichaelEmpires belief that it is unfixable, and my position that it is a hardware fault that can only be sorted out by users not causing the problem.

Hope for you guys who experience this issue that this is wrong, but given the information available, I bet this is not a deny, deny, brush the issue under th carpet and f'ck'em issue.

People who have a faulty phone should at the very least (and as advised by many of the user here) get their money back as soon as, of just accept that you need to learn to use your phone differently or use one of the workarounds. The possibility of the fix coming is now dramatically reduced is reports from Apple are to be believed.

http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2010/08/30/apple-confirms-iphone-4-proximity-sensor -glitch-still-not-patched/

And it's cropping up in MacInsider and iLounge and other forums too. Don't know who the original source is, or which of the reports is the one that all the others are copying, but it certainly appears to be the news that MichaelEmpire has been predicting for months now.

Malke of it as you will. Your need fpr hope and denial will be kicking in about now...

This is funny.

To all that bash Michael I hope you get a software fix.

I don't think it is going to happen and now Apple is leaking the information slowly..

Mike was right!

be in denial if you wish...

Oso Grande wrote:
No worries man, it happens to all of us. 😉

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