Advice for buying new iMac

I have an iMac (2013 model) purchased in 2014 with MacOS 10.14.6., 16 GB memory, 21.5” monitor, wired mouse model # A1152, wired keyboard. The internal storage is 1.12 TB, 895 GB available (about 220 GB used). I have a port extension to handle 3 more external USB connections that the 4 USB ports cannot handle. The Timemachine backups go to an external drive.


My imac does a great job, I have a lot more storage than I need, the monitor is excellent. I never had any performance issues. My most used applications are email and MS Office. I could not care less for any new "features".


Unfortunately, with Apple's yearly OS releases I am left behind, and my computer cannot be upgraded to Sonoma, I can no longer update it and benefit from security patches or support.


So I have zero choices (based on what I see), but buy a new computer. I am considering buying a new desktop, probably another imac. I looked at what the Apple store offers now. The "basic" imac model with the 24" monitor comes with only 2 ports and 256k storage. None of them seems to be enough and to support what I have requires additional "components" such as USB C to USB A connectors, maybe a docking station with additional ports and a lot more storage space. A new external drive was also recommended. By the time I add this up it will be more than $2,000.


I would appreciate any suggestions for somehow keeping the cost down, as this is a lot more than I was planning to spend (while throwing out a perfectly good computer).


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iMac 21.5″, macOS 10.14

Posted on Nov 30, 2023 2:42 PM

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Posted on Jan 18, 2024 7:37 PM

Suzy2014 wrote:

• After a lot of agony, I decided to buy a new iMac. I'd appreciate some additional info/advise regarding the ports, adapters, hub. With all the prior lessons, I still do not feel comfortable making decisions about the hub I need.

I need capability to connect 6 devices that now have USB 3 connectors (old type): printer, scanner UPS, 2 external drives, keyboard). I would like to continue using the existing wired keyboard, which has plugged in it a wired mouse (to avoid the hassle with having to charge more devices). I hope they will work with the new iMac.

The latest (8 core GPU) iMac has only two Thunderbird 3/USB 4 ports that can be used for:

Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
• USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
• USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
• Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately).


The higher-end 24" M3 iMacs have two additional USB-C (USB 3) ports, and a Gigabit Ethernet port.


It was suggested that I use the Caldigit Element hub which is $200.
https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/

I am sorry, but I cannot figure out if this hub would meet my needs as described above, hopefully without adapters.


That device would connect to your iMac using a Thunderbolt cable. It would give you

  • Four downstream USB-A ports that can run at up to 10 Gbps (USB 3.1 Gen 2) speeds
  • Three downstream USB-C (Thunderbolt) ports


It would not increase the number of external displays your iMac can drive (one). The dual display support that the description talks about depends on there being dual display support on the computer.


Could you please let me know:
if the above hub would do the job


It could do the job, but only with the aid of additional hubs or adapters (USB-C to USB-A). While it is probably a high-quality device, I think it's aimed first and foremost at people who want to split one Thunderbolt chain into 3 Thunderbolt chains. That accounts for a lot of the cost – cost that won't do you any good if all that you use it for is attaching USB-A devices.


• if there is any other hub that would be better for my needs that you would recommend.


Other World Computing and SonnetTech have competing docks that offer more types of ports. I don't see any that have six USB-A ports, although the SonnetTech Echo 20 Thunderbolt 4 SuperDock has eight USB 3 ports: half USB-A, half USB-C.


https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/thunderbolt/thunderbolt-docks

https://www.sonnettech.com/home.html


Here's something that might work. It's not the only example of its type, just the first one that I found.


Amazon – Powered USB Hub RSHTECH Type C to 7 Port USB 3.0 Data Port Hub Expander Aluminum Portable Splitter with Universal 5V AC Adapter and Individual On/Off Switches for Laptop and PC(Black)


This hub isn't nearly as versatile or high-end as the CalDigit dock you mentioned, or the OWC and SonnetTech docks to which I referred above. All that it gives you is USB-A ports: nothing else. It's from some brand that I never heard of before in my life.


It costs all of $26 USD (before 10% coupon and shipping) and would give you seven USB-A ports.


To my mind, this – or something like it – is the right tool for this job. If a time comes when you need something more, then you can look at the $200 – $300 Thunderbolt hubs and docks.


There are so many listed at Amazon and I cannot make sense out of them. Apple staff doesn't help with this....


Basically all that you are looking for is a powered USB-A hub that has a lot of USB 3.0 ports. It's nice if the hub happens to connect to the computer via a USB-C plug … but given that you can get USB-C to USB-A adapters that operate at USB 3 speeds, having a USB-C plug on the uplink is optional.

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Nov 30, 2023 5:48 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Now I have a 21" monitor that is 1920 x 1080 and I am very pleased with it. So no, I do not need 5K monitors (I had to look up what that is...). Maybe you can suggest some similar 3rd party good monitors that would work with the Mac mini to see how much they are. For someone like me it is very difficult to put together a reasonable configuration for my needs.

Nov 30, 2023 6:06 PM in response to Suzy2014

Hey there!


How much storage are you currently using? The simplest way to find out is About This Mac, available by choosing About This Mac from the Apple menu  in the upper-left corner of your screen, then choosing the Storage tab.


And based on your stated usage, and how performance-wise your 2013 iMac is still going strong, any recent Mac would be plenty powerful it sounds. Storage is the only concern here.


-Jack

Dec 1, 2023 12:17 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Thanks, @Servant of Cats. This is a lot of information to absorb. I have a 21.5" screen, nothing fancy. It is part of my 2013 iMac. It works for me well.


I did check with Brother and Epson and they show drivers for Sonoma.


However, apparently Sonoma renders Firefox useless with no fix in sight, causes major issues with printing PDFs, messed up OneDrive users, etc. It looks like these yearly releases of the MacOS take a ton of work and time for 3rd party vendors and they just cannot keep up with it. This in turn can cause a lot of issues and wasted time to end users who most of the time really do not care for new features...


I still have to check the UPS.


I appreciate you mentioning Airprint, never heard of it. It looks like my printer supports it. Now I just need to figure out how to make it happen.


Thanks.



Dec 1, 2023 1:18 PM in response to Suzy2014

Thanks, @Jack-19. It took me a while to figure out how to put this info all together despite the fact that everything is so clearly spelled out, with links to everything. My 77 years do not help.


The main confusion has to do with these USB ports. To understand them, I looked up a table listing the literally hundreds of variations. According to that table, USB A is not the same as USB 3. However, on this forum, people seem to assume that USB A = USB 3 and USB C = USB 4 (or Thunderbird).  I have no idea if it matters if a port is USB 3 or USB 3.2.


I do use currently 7 USB3 ports on my current iMac. If I get a CalDigit Element Hub, then I would need only 6 USB3 ports (the current extendor would not be needed).


I am comparing two configurations for now with all the help you provided:


  1. Using the refurbished iMac:
  • imac = $1,400
  • hub = $200
  • 2 adapters = $40 (to supplement the 4 USB 3 ports)
  • 2 external drives = $220

------

$1,860


2 A new imac :


  • imac = $1,300
  • 256K memory $200
  • hub = $200
  • 2 adapters = $40
  • 2 external drives = $220

-------

$1,960


If my assumptions about what I need and calculations are correct, it seems that a new imac is only $100 more than a refurb. All together it is a lot more than I hoped for.


I will try to do the calcs for a Mac mini, although I do have a lot less understanding about it at this time, as compared to the other two models.


Thank you very much for your pointers to the different components that would allow me to have a replacement system.










Dec 1, 2023 3:14 PM in response to Suzy2014

"My imac does a great job, I have a lot more storage than I need, the

monitor is excellent. I never had any performance issues. My most used

applications are email and MS Office. I could not care less for any new

"features"."

If everything is working well, why do you need to buy another computer? For your uses, you have enough computer already.

Dec 1, 2023 3:54 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Thanks a lot for the USB lesson.... I have to read what you posted a few times. I do not know how anyone can figure this out. I am just concerned about getting the compatibility right, getting the proper adapters for the available ports. Hopefully re-reading the lesson will get me there. I am sure it will help others too.


How is the sound when one uses the Mac mini? If I have a ZOOM or I listen to something on youtube, is it clear enough?



Dec 1, 2023 4:04 PM in response to steveh46a

@steveh46a, with the annual releases of the MacOS, Apple made my great computer a throw away. It can no longer be updated with the last 3 releases of the OS. My current OS is no longer supported by Apple. This means that I do not get security or any other updates not only for the Apple software, but the same is true for MS Office and other 3rd party software. Soon, as I just learned, my current version of Firefox will no longer be supported either (no security updates either). My heart breaks having to throw out a perfectly functional computer and pay $1,500-$2,000 for a new one.. Great for Apple but not too many others. I have no choice if I care to be reasonably secure.

Dec 1, 2023 4:12 PM in response to Suzy2014

Suzy2014 wrote:

How is the sound when one uses the Mac mini? If I have a ZOOM or I listen to something on youtube, is it clear enough?


I think the Mac mini just has one internal speaker (no stereo), so you can hear the startup chime, hear when it beeps at you, etc. You'd probably want to get separate stereo speakers (e.g., powered computer speakers, or speakers built into a monitor).


Jan 18, 2024 6:02 PM in response to Suzy2014

After a lot of agony, I decided to buy a new iMac. I'd appreciate some additional info/advise regarding the ports, adapters, hub. With all the prior lessons, I still do not feel comfortable making decisions about the hub I need.


I need capability to connect 6 devices that now have USB 3 connectors (old type): printer, scanner UPS, 2 external drives, keyboard). I would like to continue using the existing wired keyboard, which has plugged in it a wired mouse (to avoid the hassle with having to charge more devices). I hope they will work with the new iMac.


The latest (8 core GPU) iMac has only two Thunderbird 3/USB 4 ports that can be used for:


  • Thunderbolt 3 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
  • USB 3.1 Gen 2 (up to 10Gb/s)
  • Thunderbolt 2, HDMI, DVI, and VGA supported using adapters (sold separately).


It was suggested that I use the Caldigit Element hub which is $200.

https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/


I am sorry, but I cannot figure out if this hub would meet my needs as described above, hopefully without adapters.


Could you please let me know:

  • if the above hub would do the job
  • if there is any other hub that would be better for my needs that you would recommend.


There are so many listed at Amazon and I cannot make sense out of them. Apple staff doesn't help with this....


Thanks in advance.

Jan 18, 2024 8:51 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Thank you very much. I have no need for any additional monitor or the 10 GPU model.


Just as part of learning, if I were to consider the OWC 14 Port Thunderbolt Dock (at the eshop link you sent), would it mean that I could use the available ports on this dock as follows:


  • Dual Thunderbolt (USB-C) Ports - use one of them to connect the dock to the iMac's Thunderbolt port
  • USB 3.2 (10Gb/s) Type-C - use this port with a Type C - Type converter (????) to connect to one of my devices
  • 5 x USB 3.2 (5Gb/s) Type-A - use this as a direct connect (no converter) to connect to my other 5 devices


With the inexpensive hub (RSHTECH USB), how would I connect the Thunderbolt port of the iMac to the hub?

Is there a converter for this? The description talks about a laptop, not iMac. Does this also mean that I could connect all my 6 devices directly to the remaining 6 ports?


Would this one also do the job:


vantisan

USB Hub 3.0 Powered, 7 Ports USB Data Hub Splitter with One Smart

Charging Port and 5V/4A Powered Adapter and ON/Off Switches for MacBook,

Mac Pro/Mini, iMac, Surface Pro Laptop/PC


https://www.amazon.com/vantisan-Powered-Splitter-Charging-Switches/dp/B0B18H7J58/ref=sxin_14_sbv_search_btf?content-id=amzn1.sym.6ca944f8-539c-499e-a3a4-26a566d1de59%3Aamzn1.sym.6ca944f8-539c-499e-a3a4-26a566d1de59&crid=35MNN2LOCMNTJ&cv_ct_cx=hub%2Bfor%2B2023%2Bimac%2Bwith%2B6%2Busb%2B3%2Bports&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.EJVHjFv48z-W9CTZfQldNg.voAPDrToqjh8wU4wsuncDV8PJfLxVzly2v5nTMfsG8E&dib_tag=se&keywords=hub%2Bfor%2B2023%2Bimac%2Bwith%2B6%2Busb%2B3%2Bports&pd_rd_i=B0B18H7J58&pd_rd_r=bec7a0b1-ed90-4d7a-8512-b142d454ce08&pd_rd_w=aX2FM&pd_rd_wg=TftLa&pf_rd_p=6ca944f8-539c-499e-a3a4-26a566d1de59&pf_rd_r=6R13A3XQACQE1YZG8MZ8&qid=1705633072&sbo=RZvfv%2F%2FHxDF%2BO5021pAnSA%3D%3D&sprefix=hub%2Bfor%2B2023%2Bimac%2Bwith%2B6%2Busb%2B3%2Bports%2Caps%2C145&sr=1-1-5190daf0-67e3-427c-bea6-c72c1df98776&th=1


Is there any "danger" to the computer or the connected devices (e.g. external drives) if one uses one of these inexpensive hubs from unknown manufacturers? Could connectivity suffer? Anything to check. look out for?


Thanks again.





Jan 19, 2024 4:45 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Thank you very much. This was another great learning lesson (after we got our power back after last night's ice storm).


You mentioned the following: "The Vantisan hub comes with a "5V/4A" adapter and the RSTECH one comes with a "5V/2A" one. USB 3.0 lets devices draw up to 900 mA (0.9 amps), so neither hub seems to come with an adapter that would allow use of seven power-hungry USB-A devices at the same time.


The Vantisan hub might let you power three or four drives at the same time, while when using the RSTECH hub, you might need to limit yourself to two drives, before you unplugged some, or switched some off.".


Would the above issue (which is above my head) be addressed by the following hub:

https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Splitter-Extension-Laptop-Computer/dp/B0CJLQW7KL?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1&psc=1


It has a "smart charging port".... I assume that this would allow the hub to be powered (probably after buying the right cable). Would this allow me to use productively all my devices connected to the six USB 3 ports on the hub (without having to connect and disconnect them)?


They do not mention support for iMACs (and their Thunderbolt ports). Is this of concern? I assume that an adapter could be used to plug the hub into the iMac's port. Would this hub meet my needs?


This hub is quite new at Amazon, very few reviews, if those matter. Thanks in advance.



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