Cannot Create New Icloud Email/Apple ID w/o having an existing (non apple) email? Since when?

I'm trying to create a new apple ID without a new device. (It will be used on a device later, but I want to get it established now).


It used to be, you created your username when you signed up for the apple ID and apple would assign you an icloud email address based on that username, but it doesn't appear that works anymore. When I go to create the apple account (on my Macbook Pro) it wants me to use an existing email - I don't have an existing email for this apple ID - I actually WANT an icloud email address! According to what I'm reading I can't do this now unless I have or am logging into a new device - which seems crazy, quite frankly. And if this is the case, WHY? I don't want to have to create an email somewhere else just to be able to get this icloud email address. I really want to keep it simple with just the icloud email. Think of it as starting from scratch (as if I were new to apple) - but without a new device, yet.


I know just did this a couple of years ago for my Mom who we were switching to apple, and at the time she didn't have a new device, and we didn't have an existing email for her (because we wanted just the username@icloud.com address). So it used to be possible. I'm suspecting it still is and I'm just not finding the right link.


Can someone please tell me how to do this? I'm super frustrated. As you can see below, it wants an existing email! HELP!




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MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 15.6

Posted on Oct 13, 2025 8:07 AM

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Posted on Oct 13, 2025 8:49 AM

When creating a new Apple Account from an Apple device, you get 5 GB free storage and optional email, though there are limits to how many free 5 GB Apple Accounts can be created per Apple device. Three accounts per, if I recall correctly.


When creating a new account without an associated Apple device, you get 1 GB of free storage, and no email. This is called a web-only account, and is intended to be used when sharing documents with people outside the Apple systems; sharing with those not using Apple gear.


For details on the 1 GB storage tier, see: Web-only access to iCloud - Apple Support


When you next sign into a web-only Apple Account from an Apple device, you should be upgraded to 5 GB, and can optionally migrate to an iCloud email account.


If you need more storage from Apple past the free 5 GB, you’ll want to purchase an iCloud+ paid-tier subscription, with available storage up to 12 TB: iCloud+ plans and pricing - Apple Support


Why these limits? Presumably abuse of free accounts, and of the free email.


Device purchases presumably subsidize a whole lot of what (else) Apple offers buyers, too.


If you’re signing in from or are creating an Apple Account on Apple gear, this is all rather more seamless.



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Oct 13, 2025 8:49 AM in response to CCAPPL

When creating a new Apple Account from an Apple device, you get 5 GB free storage and optional email, though there are limits to how many free 5 GB Apple Accounts can be created per Apple device. Three accounts per, if I recall correctly.


When creating a new account without an associated Apple device, you get 1 GB of free storage, and no email. This is called a web-only account, and is intended to be used when sharing documents with people outside the Apple systems; sharing with those not using Apple gear.


For details on the 1 GB storage tier, see: Web-only access to iCloud - Apple Support


When you next sign into a web-only Apple Account from an Apple device, you should be upgraded to 5 GB, and can optionally migrate to an iCloud email account.


If you need more storage from Apple past the free 5 GB, you’ll want to purchase an iCloud+ paid-tier subscription, with available storage up to 12 TB: iCloud+ plans and pricing - Apple Support


Why these limits? Presumably abuse of free accounts, and of the free email.


Device purchases presumably subsidize a whole lot of what (else) Apple offers buyers, too.


If you’re signing in from or are creating an Apple Account on Apple gear, this is all rather more seamless.



Oct 25, 2025 2:17 PM in response to Limnos

Limnos wrote:

I am not familiar with a time when Apple automatically created an iCloud mail account for you (my account is 21 years old). It has always been an option but you have to do that as a later step.


Apple doesn’t do that automatically. It’s optional, and is also only offered when creating an Apple Account from an Apple device.


As for changing to an iCloud address later, it is not a good idea to use your iCloud address as your primary Apple Account address. Should you have problems getting access to your account, Apple will likely try sending you recovery information to the very account where you can't read it. I see a lot of posts here where people say that they cannot read the emails Apple is sending them as part of account recovery because Apple is sending them to their iCloud email address. If you do want to use your iCloud address then make sure you also enter notification addresses. About your Apple Account email addresses - Apple Support


For this concern, an Account Recovery Contact: Set up an account recovery contact - Apple Support

…and a Notification address: About your Apple Account email addresses - Apple Support

…can be useful here.


[I’d usually keep the main Apple Account email, and the rescue or notification email address, on separate email providers.]

Oct 25, 2025 1:28 PM in response to CCAPPL

I am not familiar with a time when Apple automatically created an iCloud mail account for you (my account is 21 years old). It has always been an option but you have to do that as a later step.


As for changing to an iCloud address later, it is not a good idea to use your iCloud address as your primary Apple Account address. Should you have problems getting access to your account, Apple will likely try sending you recovery information to the very account where you can't read it. I see a lot of posts here where people say that they cannot read the emails Apple is sending them as part of account recovery because Apple is sending them to their iCloud email address. If you do want to use your iCloud address then make sure you also enter notification addresses. About your Apple Account email addresses - Apple Support


Oct 25, 2025 2:22 PM in response to MrHoffman

Correct, those are the things I just said 5 minutes ago, along with the link.


Apple doesn’t do that automatically.

The OP said it was done automatically. I said AFAIK it has never been set automatically. Apple offers it as a later step.


…and a Notification address:

If you do want to use your iCloud address then make sure you also enter notification addresses.


A recovery contact is not technically your own address but that of a person who can assist you with account recovery. Apple says: "An account recovery contact is someone who can verify your identity and help you regain access to your account and all of your data if you ever get locked out. "

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