LOGIC 10 FEATURE SUGGESTIONS!!!

Ive tried that without much success -the process was too tedious for me. Really I wish Apple would buy UJam -as to date its the most perfect application for my skill set -ie amazing singer that can fit melody to chords but cant play for ****

drobinsondn wrote:
Ive tried that without much success -the process was too tedious for me. Really I wish Apple would buy UJam -as to date its the most perfect application for my skill set -ie amazing singer that can fit melody to chords but cant play for ****

Garageband maybe....... but please, not in Logic.

pancenter-

Yea -I already know where youre going with that -the dumming down of music creation -even MORE "untalented" people flooding the stange BUT its the future! Once UJam (or whoever realizes the full potential of the product) perfects the instrumentation aspect AND provides for infinite creative flexibility -it will be the del facto music creation platform -perhaps performance too

Stuff like Flex Time is a great production tool because you can't always choose the proficiency level of the people you're recording.

But stuff designed for people who need haven't learned the basics of making music is something I don't want or need bloating up my tools and working environment.

That belongs in GarageBand, alongside the lessons.

I'm not saying you're not a great singer, but either be a songwriter - then learn your trade - or hire somebody who is. That worked for Robbie Williams. 😉

drobinsondn wrote:
Yea -I already know where youre going with that -the dumming down of music creation -even MORE "untalented" people flooding the stange BUT its the future! Once UJam (or whoever realizes the full potential of the product) perfects the instrumentation aspect AND provides for infinite creative flexibility -it will be the del facto music creation platform -perhaps performance too

No, I think there's room for everyone... but I also think there's the right tool for the job. From what I see, Garageband has more depth than many (actually most) new users can comprehend so why not use that platform for this purpose.

The more users clamor for this type of development in Logic the less time the programmers/developers have to develop professional features needed to keep Logic competitive. To say nothing of fixing some glaring bugs that remain. You can only tack so much onto a program before the whole application suffers. Automated music creation on what is considered a top tier recording application just seems wrong! 🙂.

Sure, I could see it as separate Apple product that integrates with Logic. Actually If Logic doesnt grab it up while its young it will definitely be that and Apple will have missed out on a LOT of money (by being the first -protools anyone?)

If you have used Stylus, or BFD you are embracing this technology. Otherwise you should be out hiring a drummer or learning to play yourself. God forbid if you write symphonic scores ...youd have to hire a bunch of players or get to learning to play the 30+ instruments youre using.

I think if the naysayers were honest theyd admit to fears of becoming obsolete. That the many years spent learning to play will be trumped by someone who doesnt know a D string from a G-String. As good as you are -theres probably a session musician recording the UJam loops who is much much better. As a singer I KNOW that in 10 years you wont be able to tell a real singer from a person off the street. Its life. Id LOVE, LOVE, LOVE for autotune and melodyne to disappear into thin air so that all of these "singers" today can be revealed for what they are ...but it aint gonna happen.

Like I said like it or not it is the future. Live music will always be, as will song creation by jamming in basements and garages. BUT we are moving towards a digital future where the loops loose their static play and become as modifiable as any off key melody. You can resist it or embrace a new way of creating -because talent will always be what it is as well.

If you have used Stylus, or BFD you are embracing this technology. Otherwise you should be out hiring a drummer or learning to play yourself. God forbid if you write symphonic scores ...youd have to hire a bunch of players or get to learning to play the 30+ instruments youre using.

Like I said.... keep it at Garageband level.

There's a huge difference in automated playing/drumming than knowing how to play/program/arrange these instruments yourself.

Fortunately the future is not written in stone.. it's more like a rubber band that stretches one way then snaps back in the opposite direction. From schlock to artful...

Automated music creation is fine, in fact it's perfect for Garageband.

Maybe you should work for Apple.

pancenter-

I dont totally disagree with you perhaps this is a separate product. But I will say in as much as synths are integrated into Logic you have a case for integrating automated players. In effect an automated player is just an intelligent loop. Throw in the ability to modify that loop in any shape possible and you have another instrument -to be mixed and mastered (learned to play not the process) like any synth sound (unless you only record acoustic then id see how this would simply be "bloat").

I do see it as a songwriters tool but also as bed layer to the whole mix -kinda like adding a synth sound to an acoustic drum kick to make the sound beefier. The ability to record acoustic and layer it with the synthetic and mix it all together -I just see this as the DAW of the future.

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drobinsondn wrote:
I dont totally disagree with you perhaps this is a separate product. But I will say in as much as synths are integrated into Logic you have a case for integrating automated players. In effect an automated player is just an intelligent loop. Throw in the ability to modify that loop in any shape possible and you have another instrument -to be mixed and mastered (learned to play not the process) like any synth sound (unless you only record acoustic then id see how this would simply be "bloat").

I do see it as a songwriters tool but also as bed layer to the whole mix -kinda like adding a synth sound to an acoustic drum kick to make the sound beefier. The ability to record acoustic and layer it with the synthetic and mix it all together -I just see this as the DAW of the future.

What you've just described is sampling, layering, and sample replacement.

It's been available for almost thirty years, albeit to people who were prepared to learn how to do it.

spheric when youre ready for an adult discussion let me know by ceasing with the condescension. At this point im talking to Pancenter whos capable of challenging my ideas without resorting to such a sophomoric approach. Better yet take 10 min and record happy b-day on UJam -that will show you the similarities AND differences to sampling and layering that "have been available for almost thirty years." As I recall when sampling first came out it was viewed as a tool for those nonmusicians in the ghetto over that "crazy" "newfandagled" "Rap" music -only now (as stodgy minded musicians fade into the past) is it a standard.

Thanks!

I actually tried that above, but that was completely ignored.

Looked through the UJam tutorials, and it's really great and an excellent fit for GarageBand - the people there started getting useful fun stuff immediately, and usable demo results once they started throwing their expertise at it (one of the demos started sounding non-generic once the guy substituted chords not marked orange at all, and throwing in sus chords etc.).

IOW, I think this kind of stuff is great as a toy, and it's a great quick-and-dirty tool for trying out ideas for people who know exactly what they're doing - the way a good musician will get decent results out of pretty much anything.

I like that response and, just to go back briefly to the previous discussion - perhaps the way that this thread has now started to deteriorate is a perfect example of the things we both don't really like about internet forum exchanges?

General reply, not to you c-man. 🙂

All I can say is: I don't want an application that has been used by some of the best players, composers and arrangers working today to score feature movies and memorable music..... adopt automated music creation.

In my mind... it simply doesn't belong there.

Different jobs... different tools.

There's BIAB and Jammer & UJam for that purpose. Garageband has synths as well and would better serve as the host, imho.

Another thing to remember... every artist knows this at one time or another.
Just because the public likes it, doesn't mean it's good. 🙂

pancenter-

As long as they don't REMOVE any features, they can add as much "stuff" as they want and it won't effect me. I mean Logic already has plenty of features that I don't use. Should they be removed because I don't find them useful?