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Final Cut Pro X - Import AVCHD?

Can FCPX import AVCHD files directly, or do they still need to be converted first? I have MTS files from a Panasonic GH2 digital camera that are in AVCHD that are grayed out when I try to import them.

Posted on Jun 21, 2011 7:36 AM

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Jul 12, 2011 9:36 AM in response to michael deanfromswedesboro

Hi Mike,


You are right about everything. We are all trying to help here. ClipWrap does not transcode my Sony AVCHD 1080p50 MTS files either and I own the full version. You can try again on the lower left hand side in the drop down menu and see if you can choose ProRes instead of the default clipwrapping setting, but you are probably right that it won't transcode them. If you own Aunsoft try to see if it's so slow because of where your files that you are trying to transcode are stored. Are they on an external drive? Are you trying to transcode them from your camera's card that is connected via a USB cable to your computer? It takes me for 30min. of video about 50min to transcode the files into PorResHQ with the highest quality settings and 50fps.


Cheers

Jul 12, 2011 9:52 AM in response to Aquarius2000

Boy - I THINK I have fantastic news: I contacted the makers (Divergent.com) of ClipWrap...they understood my problem - wrote me back almost IMMEDIATELY. They sent me a DIFFERENT version (I GUESS). IT WORKS! FAST! I replied and told them...and told them I was shocked..and impressed and couldn't believe my eyes after all I have been throguh for 48 hours of misery and disapointment. And they replied back that if I buy this version on their store (which I immediately did) - I'd be good to go.....I bought it and got the SN and receipt and dear God....I haven't tried everything yet at all....BUT man - ClipWrap converted the two VERY SHORT files I made to test it with at 1080p60 with my [utterly gorgeous and brand new model] SONY FS100U cam. It worked - from the hi-speed card...using the DEFAULT SETTING ("rewrap only")....I never even had to try the experiment what Chris suggested w/ yet another brand new card and use the 720p capture setting on the SONY cam.....I ended up getting the message and new (?) version demo from DIVERGENT.COM before I even had a chance to [try again] what Chris suggested


If you don't have it - get vClipWrap 2.4.2a2 - that's what I got from them; HEY - that is what is working right now for me - and it converts FAST - and the .MOV imports right into FCProX at: 1920x1080p60...H.264/Linear PCM. I even exported this short clip as a QT full-screen movie...GORGEOUS! Not a fropped frame or glitch or slowdown or ANYTHING.


I think my BASIC problem is OVER! (And yes - I STILL love FCProX....always did - was concerned aboutthe import from my SONY cam for sure...but now that sems solved...and despite FCProX's few real shortcomings....I firmly believe more help is on the way for all of us who want to stick with it from Apple, and third party companies). Sit tight, now, right?


Mike - (who worries its al too good to be true, right now...that my $$$ SONY really does "talk" to FCProX fast and perfectly, thanks to the nice folks re: ClipWare/Divergent....)

Jul 12, 2011 10:02 AM in response to michael deanfromswedesboro

Hey Mike,


I had the same experience with Clipwrap tech support. Colin to be specific. He got back to me in a vert short period of time when I needed help. It's well worth the $50 spent to get that level of support.


How is your machine handling the re-wrapped files in FCPX? Even though FCPX brings my re-wrapped 60p footage, my 2.8 Octo MacPro w/ 10GB of ram & 512 DDR3 card stutters a little during playback and editing.


How is your performance and what are your machine specs?


Thanks,

Gene

Jul 12, 2011 10:28 AM in response to Gene Carbonell

Gene - what is an Octo MacPro? I only know about the new Apple Thnderbolt line - and just *might* buy the 15" MacBook Pro TB /USB 3 version (see another recent post from me on that).


I am running 10.6.8....on an 8 Gb Intel iMac, Core 5......It's feakin' fast.....and I understand TB 15" MacBook pro will go way faster for me - IF I do indeed buy one...which I want to...despit ehte $3K or so...but I'll get it fully equipped. Everything...ONE MORE TIME.


Mike

Jul 12, 2011 10:47 AM in response to Gene Carbonell

Gene - YES - very smooth...I am impressed with it for sure...my iMac/8Gb Intel core 5. Playback is as smooth as a baby's behind.


...and I still may hunker down and get the TB 15" MAcBook Pro model.....also - it IS Colin who helped me out with ClipWrap...said the version he sent me [that I purchased minutes later] was TWEAKED for the SONY....which, all I can say is GOD BLESS him (and the rest of them) at Divergent.


Mike

Jul 12, 2011 11:32 AM in response to Gene Carbonell

Gene -


Here ya go - the whole enchilada:


Chipset Model: ATI Radeon HD 5670

Type: GPU

Bus: PCIe

PCIe Lane Width: x16

VRAM (Total): 512 MB

Vendor: ATI (0x1002)

Device ID: 0x68c0

Revision ID: 0x0000

ROM Revision: 113-B9850H-133

EFI Driver Version: 01.00.416

Displays:

iMac:

Resolution: 1920 x 1080

Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)

Main Display: Yes

Mirror: Off

Online: Yes

Built-In: Yes

Connection Type: DisplayPort

Display Connector:

Status: No Display Connected


Hope this helps...what are you thinkinig, now?


Mike

Jul 12, 2011 2:00 PM in response to michael deanfromswedesboro

"You should be able to import your native 1080i60 AVCHD files into FCPX. Try the hints in this thread. This ensures the highest quality, but editing native AVCHD is tough. Transcoding to ProResHQ prior to import is essentially lossless and is the next highest quality option.


Your biggest issue will be deinterlacing. You may get better results in 720p60 because there will be no interlacing artefacts to get rid of. Otherwise you could export to ProResHQ and use JES deinterlacer on the export file, or export to Compressor and try an adaptive algorithm in compressor, as described previously.


Remember that on export you should choose the highest quality setting if you want the highest quality export."

Chris-

Thanks, just to update I was able to get my hard drive to bring in the video as AVCHD to view all the thumbnails though I did not import them till I learn more about the import pre sets in FCPX.

I don't know how much slower or what actual quality difference I will see editing in native AVCHD over ProRes but at least I can try it both ways now.

To expand on what you said about the JES Deinterlacer why do you think it will be an issue with the 1080i.

I don't even think the Sony CX550 has a 720p option being only interlaced.

In my ignorance I thought I should go for the highest resolution quality possible which for my camera's recording options which is 1080i.

I was hoping some of the artifact I was seeing was a feature of the computer and wouldn't be as bad in the final product. Will JES not work with 1080i?

Thanks for all the great information.

John

Jul 12, 2011 4:28 PM in response to Travisimo

John - it's great that the ClipWrap guys have made it so you can rewrap the 1080p60 H264 file within those MTS files into Quicktime movies (m4v or mov) that you be imported successfully into FCPX. Previously most users here found that it just didn't work, typically the video was black. This is very exciting for users of other cameras as well. Note that it is fast because all that happens is that the H264 files within the MTS container are just copied and put into a QuickTime container. There is NO transcoding with this approach, and that's what makes it so fast. This is what is meant by rewrapping the H264 file.


Now when you say you can see the thumbnails in the timeline, that means FCPX has imported the H264 movie into an event and you can put it into a project. FCPX will have put a copy of the movie into your event under originals - you can find it there now, assuming the preference is to copy, rather than leave in place. If your mac can actually play back 1080p60 H264 like this within FCPX or quicktime, then you're lucky. If it can't then you should choose to transcode on import to ProRes or Proxy ProRes, and get FCPX to use that format on playback, which will be much less CPU intensive. On export FCPX will make a movie according to the settings selected *from your originals*, so it doesn't matter much if you use proxy files to edit with. There will be no loss of quality at all either way, apart from the re-encoding to the final export format, and that is inevitable depending on the codec.


Interlaced video is a huge topic and I've written a number of posts about it previously. I don't have time really to repeat everything I've said. Interlaced video is intended for TV playback and is a compromise to the bandwidth/quality tradeoff that makes sense on TV's - but really doesn't play so well on computer. I too have a 1080i60 camera that will not do 1080p60, but mine will also do 720p60, and I bet yours will too. You will find that when you export for computer playback, you will need to deal with interlacing issues. There are a number of ways of solving the problem. If you're output format is intended to fit on iPad and iPhone retina displays, and also actually within most laptop screens, then you can set the project to 960x540 and FCPX will on export use every second line, removing all interlacing artefacts. If you want full 1080 output then you'll need to consider your deinterlacing options. You'll learn more about this later, and will need to experiment a bit depending on what the output format is. Long and short is that it can be deinterlaced to 1080p30 or even 1080p60, and what you do depends on the amount of motion and information in the video, you can use adaptive or simple blend algorithms; good adaptive algorithms give great results but a lot of CPU is needed; you would normally do your deinterlacing on an exported ProRes file after you finished the project. Adaptive 1080p60 deinterlacing from a 1080i60 original is as far as I know only an option in JES Deinterlacer; this is the only way to retain all the motion detail of the 1080i60 original - if you deinterlace to 1080p30 either there will be blurring (in blend mode) or frame to frame jerkiness (in adaptive mode). If you've shot the video with a shutter speed of 1/60 then you'll have good tidy motion blur and you will get fabulous results deinterlacing up to 1080p60 from 1080i60.


Truthfully however 1080p60 is currently state of the art if you want to play your stuff back on large screen TV's with smooth motion.


Your camera will certainly support 1080p24 and that will look good too, without interlacing issues, though it will be a bit more jerky because there will be greater frame to frame differences.


Anyhow, you're at the beginning of the Great Video Adventure. FCPX is great; very quickly you'll find that FCPX isn't the problem - the real challenge is understanding all the technology that it puts at your disposal, and the technical trade-offs - oh, and yes, then the art of cinematography as well!


chris

Jul 12, 2011 5:32 PM in response to Travisimo

The AVCHD spec has been updated to 2.0, now supporting 1080 at 50p and 60p and 3D.


http://www.dpreview.com/news/1107/11071105avchd2p0.asp


I'm sure Apple will follow up on this. I hope it won't be long before there is full support across all Pro apps for 1080p50/60, and also that direct import from MTS files will be possible. Only a matter of time, imho. I recall that Aperture 1 was full of bugs, Aperture 2 sort of OK, and not until Aperture 3 was it a really great program.


I think FCPX will be similar; it has a LOT of development to come.


Chris


PS - I'm hoping that with the release of the new spec, my GH2 might get a firmware update enabling 60p.. though I anticipate it might only come with the GH3 or a hack.

Jul 12, 2011 6:40 PM in response to ctzsnooze

Chris-

Just to clear up any confusion, I did not have to use Clipwrap at all because my material is 1080i and FCPX imported it natively just fine the 3rd time around. Lacking the knowledge of the help cursor for FCP I think I tried to import from files first (since it was off a hard drive) not from camera. When I selected "import from camera" two options came up, the portable hard drive and AVCHD. I picked AVCHD and after a few minutes all the thumbnails appeared. Possibly because there were 1859 clips on the hard drive it just took a while to finally show up.

I know this is still in AVCHD but I will play with to see how slow it is.

Since I have to convert to Pro Res on export anyway-

(which started my initial question about the differences in actual quality)

I may just end up doing it first.

Thanks for all the great information and after I learn more about how to edit with FCPX I'll check out more on de interlacing and what other record options will work best. I would've gone with a progressive camcorder but at the time there weren't any underwater video housing for one with the features I wanted. They are becoming more available now. Stuck with this one and learning FCP for now. Will make the most of it.

John

Jul 12, 2011 9:45 PM in response to ctzsnooze

Chris,

ctzsnooze wrote:

"On export FCPX will make a movie according to the settings selected *from your originals*, so it doesn't matter much if you use proxy files to edit with."

There will be no loss of quality at all either way, apart from the re-encoding to the final export format, and that is inevitable depending on the codec.


chris


Kinda what I've been thinking, but even for standard AVCHD 1920x1080 30P files and a new fast laptop, the Proxy route seems to make a lot of sense. If you have a minute, could you take a look at my recent post for a quick comment-

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3173973?tstart=0

(I trying to find a good reason to optimize to Pro Res 422 on import. It may just be a workflow preference.)


--

I, along with numerous others that have said as much, greatly appreciate the time you've put in with your answers. This is indeed one of the all time most useful threads I've seen. I've believe I've been around these forums off and on since 2005.


Thanks,

Dave


(I still can't get over the quality of the Photo Ninja video he uploaded a while back. Astounding! I just took another look at it today on the new laptop.)

Jul 13, 2011 2:53 AM in response to Harmonica_Lessons

@Dave & @Chris,


Photo Ninja set the bar quite high. Leaving aside the upstream part of his workflow which he keeps pretty simple, and Chris has been great about advising on how to use interlaced video to get as close to that quality as possible, Photo Ninja has also figured out well the downstream part of his workflow with the Compressor settings, I think. Chris, do you mind going a bit more into this. I don’t mean the obvious settings, but there are a lot of details particularly in one tab with lots of technical settings (I’m not in front of my computer right now and I have a non-English version) that can be tweaked. I hope, you know what I mean. This would be very helpful. This way I won’t have to try every possible way and see what the results are in terms if video data rate vs. quality vs. smooth playback. Photo Ninja’s video has a pretty high data rate.


@John, @Chris

John, you raise an interesting point in that one might as well transcode first into ProRes since upon export it will happen anyway. Why be religious about editing the native MTS files, especially since the rendered files will be in ProRes or ProResHQ, depending on one’s project settings? Chris, can you, please, confirm that there is no way to choose ProResHQ for the transcoded media upon import if create optimized media is checked in FCPX. Therefore the only way to get a full ProResHQ master export file is to use third party software to transcode the MTS files prior to import into ProResHQ. I’ve tried this. When I import ProResHQ files, that I have previously transcoded using another application without checking the transcode option in FCPX, since obviously it is not necessary, and I set the render files to ProResHQ, my exported master files is also in ProResHQ.


Cheers

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