DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!

No troll like an Apple troll. Who would just install over their existing SL install!? Guffaw! Well, everyone who read the sales pitch on the AppStore that said (1) "Make sure your Mac an run Lion"(check!), (2) "Make sure you have the latest version of Snow Leopard" (check!), (3) Just click install! and that's it! (Hey, ***?!) Apple doesn't intstruct a clean install, which would suggest they think it will be OK. If the nasties on these fora would adjust the angles of their noses, understand that Apple is selling a RETAIL product to thousands of people who expect it to work when they follow the (minimal) instructions that Apple gives, and be civil, we'd all be happier. If you can't stand to rub cursors with the people who use these chats, then don't post.

Lion isn't ready for primetime. Unfortunately, you can't back up from a major release, just send out service packs(!). Too bad.

I typically wait out the upgrades until they settle down, but just for the heck of it, I installed Lion on a spare drive and everything has been fine 😕

That said, I do not have a system full of 3rd party applications, which I wonder if they often offer a lot of gremlins.

azdawg99 wrote:

A Pro knows better than to upgrade an OS.

Bollocks: A Pro will have a working backup. And sooner or later you have to take this step (especially if you are a "Pro" (making money from working with Mac OS)).

But thats not how Apple is selling it. All they are saying is: Download it, run it, no problems. Ok, it is advertising (aka a lie). But there was a time when Apple had the best manuals and informations about their OS on the market. That time is over. Now the user has to download an OS (where the installer will delete itself after installing - Apple did not say, they want you to download it every time you need it - good luck if you are on a volume plan from your provider or you live in the woods ) and have to do his own research or buy expensive third party documentation (if available).

@azdawg99 - I apologize if you think I am whining...I guess there are those who live for forum comments. If I offended you, it was not my intention. My intention was to state my experience. No worries...no more posts for me...geez! LOL! Whosah! Life is TOO short to be going postal over a post!

Did we forget our courteous pills today?

To C5Z,

You'd have thought this, but many experiences suggest otherwise. There are numerous threads running where Lion users are unable to get Apple apps and software to work.

This was my experience. In fact, I had few problems with 3rd party stuff after the upgrade - it was my Apple apps that failed to run. Aperture in particular was a nightmare, and remains so for many users.

Tom

I absolutely agree - DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION UNLESS YOU HAVE NO CHOICE.

- compatibility issues with many programs which run stably on SL

- far more spinning beach balls than ever before

- losing simple tools like Today and Yesterday in the Finder sidebar

- Mail has major issues with Exchange

Apple is trying to become Windows !

And this is after an install over SL on two MBPs and one iMac, as well as one clean install on an iMac, all machines less than 2 years old.

And to add insult, Apple pulled the sale of SL from their stores so I can't go back.

For the first time, I hate an Apple product.

The sky is falling!

lion is fine it is everything else that is not ...alla adobe

Apple does not make it easy to do a clean install. It actually takes a few moments of your time on Google and a bit of effort in understanding how to backup your machine before proceeding. My money says many of you are the same people who will lose years of your family photo's because you were too lazy (or ignorant) to backup your files and will blame Apple for that, too. Take a little personal responsibility and quit with the "Apple in the past was always perfect" garbage. A quick look back in the forums shows this happens every time there is a new OS or upgrade. People that plan and don't jump in with both feet don't seem to have problems. It's just the hope and pray crowd that is finding out that their precious Mac is now requiring them to actually know how to do an install correctly, no matter how Apple has touted it or marketed it. Apple is a company, not your friend. Get used to it. Accept the fact you need to learn how to do a clean install and watch how your problems vanish. If this is above you, then pay someone to do it or stick with Snowie, but for crying out loud, don't come on here whining how bad it is when you have no clue what you are talking about. Boo hoo for you. Now go search Google and learn how to make your Mac love Lion. It's in your hands, not Apple's. You can keep crying that Apple should have, could have, would have... but that's not solving your issue. You can keep calling anyone who doesn't have a problem with Lion a fanboy or troll, but that isn't solving your problem. Only you can do that and it starts with a clean install.

So far, I have not had any issues. I created an installation flash drive and first installed Lion on a spare external hard drive. I then used Migration Assistant to transfer all of my settings and files from my 2006 MacBook Pro with 3G of memory. Since I had no issues with installing Lion on the hard drive, I partitioned my MBP hard drive and installed it using the same process. I used Setup Assistant to transfer all of my files, apps and settings.

So far, I find my old laptop is a little speedier with Lion. I don't know yet if the battery will drain more quickly. I just unplugged the laptop for the first time since installing Lion so I'll know more later.

I have deleted all of the old apps that won't run in Lion. I can say that I don't care for some of the changes but I hope I'll come to like them after I get used to them.

No they don't make it easy. But they sell it like Angry Birds and demand a premium. Makes those cheap PCs look like a better deal.

Unfortunately, the Apple you describe sounds like Microsoft. Oh well, somewhere out there someone is figuring out how to seize the customer service space that Apple apparently just vacated. I seem to remember that Dell did that, too, and had to bring back the founder to fix the problem. And Starbucks. And a company named after a fruit, what was that one . . . .

Somebody let go of the rope.

Oh, and I bet that most people won't lose all their data because Apple previously sold them a really great back up utility that just works when you plug it in! Beauty.

Fanboy!

You stated; "Makes those cheap PCs look like a better deal."

If you truly believe that what is keeping you here?

I know after being forced to use Windows at work, I will never use it at home for any reason at all. Even the one they wanted to give me when I left that I turned down.

Allan

Upgrading was easy.....resolving problems syncing calendar etc to my iPhone has been a pain. The sync process runs and runs and runs and when it finally stops, I have many duplicate entries on my iPhone including some that we already deleted from iCal. The sync problem is a major issue for me and I hope there is a patch soon. Other than this, Lion is OK although I don't like the Calendar and Address Book functions as well as SL. If I could get a do over, I would wait on a Lion upgrade.

Mr. Hamilton,

Your assessment is dead on - I think this is Apple's Vista. I am throwing in the towel - have just ordered a last-available version of Snow Leopard, which when I receive will wipe my 3.1 GHz 27-in iMac clean of all traces of Lion (and Mac Office 2011 together with it) and reinstall Snow Leopard. What a nightmare this has been - I am hallucinating of coloured beachballs and the sound of Apple's reboot reverberates through my skull.

I am afraid the geeks on this post who have thrashing us have lost sight of what Apple was supposed to be - seamless and easy to use. If we were all system administrators, we would be using Linux.

If those who are sane on this forum can help update us as to when the waters are safe to dip our toes into again, we can consider re-installing a newer OS.

I wish I'd read your post earlier.

Clement