DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!

Marc Poschman wrote:

"Quit complaining about your 5yr old applications not working anymore.Pull your wallet out your *** and upgrade to new version that were madethis century."

Five year old apps were new THIS century. Some of us are having trouble keeping any money in those wallets these days, or did you miss the whole Occupy thing?

What you are failing to realize about your 5yr old application is that the current operating system at the time was 10.5 Leopard and i don't mean 10.5.8 but 10.5.0. I'm sure you realize that there is a big difference between the OS back then and Lion now.

"Adobe Applications - These are applications made from Adobe. Do i really need to get into this one?"

They worked fine in SL! ...and for many of us, this IS the way we make our money!! If they're not going to work in Lion, we NEED to make a change! That's just simple economics.

Just because they work fine in a previous OS doesn't guarantee they will work fine in a new updated OS. Do your homework before you do the upgrade. Had you done your homework, you would've read the information that Adobe put out when Lion was first released. It essentially said that they, Adobe, was aware of their applications not being fully compatible with Lion. This isn't a fault of Apple but the fault of Adobe. Apple releases Developer Previews to their developer community for a reason.

I don't disagree that Lion has it share of problems for people, My point here that you shouldn't blame Apple for your lack of due diligence prior to the upgrade. I upgraded my 2011 Macbook Pro the day Lion came out, and have installed all updates and haven't had a single problem with it. This is also true of my 2009 iMac, my kids 2010 macbook air, and my other kids 2008 macbook.

As far as me being one of saint steve's people goes. Applecare doesn't take part in these discussions at all. Ever.

follow this article. http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2570

Marc Poschman wrote:

Now it's freezing on STARTUP!!! I'm looking at a gray apple in a blank screen, and it's frozen again! I'm reduced to typing this on my iPhone!! Don't tell me there's nothing wrong with Lion!!!

Follow this article http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2570

Some good advice there, but note that some of the information in that article is not relevant to Lion - particularly the 'last resort' options about re-installing the OS. To do that with Lion, restart holding down 'command' and 'r'.

Some of us actually make our living using a Mac and being able to run a native program that created a file is very important.

Lots of corporations are still using older programs. Some of these programs have been discontinued but are still in widespread use. Whilst others have been upgraded but the newer versions change the formatting of documents when they are used to open documents created in older versions.

Bottom line is if we can't work with files given us then we can't do business with people using these programs.

I would urge those who have had upgrade issues to look beyond the OS for the solution to their problems. I have successfully upgraded two MBP and a MB with no issues whatsoever. Performance is better than Snow Leopard and the additional options on Lion make it a more than worthy upgrade.

If there were extensive issues with the OS, Apple would be dealing with it. They have a proven track record for handling such instances.

It is also unreasonable to expect old software to perform flawlessly on a more modern OS. When the decision to upgrade your OS is made, it is normal to expect that certain apps or software must be upgraded also. When I made the decision to switch from MS-DOS to Windows 3.1 (circa 1994), I knew that software must change also. When I made the decision to switch from PC to Mac (2009), I knew that software must change. Likewise, I would suppose that any OS released in 2015 will mandate a software update also. If the software update becomes too cost prohibitive for me, then I'll keep the existing OS until I can afford the upgrade.

While the frustation of those who have had issues are understandable, I believe it is unfounded and unfair to blame the OS. If it were a definite OS flaw, then all who upgraded would be experiencing it. That is not the case.

These are just my thoughts. Take my opinion and $4 to Starbucks and you can get a cup of coffee. 🙂

Agree completely. I had some isues at first as I couldn't sync with my iP4 via USB after the upgrade. I deleted an older calendar app and tried a few other things and it works fine now. I really don't know if what I did did the trick or if an upgrade came aong and fixed my issues. Lion works fine and my MBP and iP4 are now working together nicely. My advice to anyone using a legacy application that is critical is to stick with Snow Leopard.

I decided to post to this discussion because the title really reflects my feelings about Lion at this moment though I don't agree with all of what William wrote in his initial post. I recently bought a late 2011 MBP 15"/2.2/i7/4GB with Lion 10.7.2 pre-installed and migrated my Snow Leopard system seemingly without a problem. It was as I started going through my apps and files, checking and updating, that I started noticing problems - slowness, a recurring beachball though the CPU(s) were hardly working, and files disappearing from Finder (not deleted, just not displayed). I have gone through hundreds of posts in this and other forums, performed all the usual recommended remedies, reinstalled over the system, erased and reinstalled fresh, etc. Last night after several hours on my MBP, mostly web surfing, some video editing, Lion went belly-up on me again. First slowness, then apps freezing, more and more beach balls, etc. Restarted only to see the endless beachball as the only thing moving. Reboot to Recovery, permissions repair, PRAM reset, SMU reset, all ineffective. **** I couldn't even get into a safe reboot! Yes, I finally got it restarted and I am about to do a last ditch total wipe and fresh reinstall of everything - OS and apps. If I don't get a stable system this time, I am going back to Snow Leopard.

Don't get me wrong, when Lion works I really, really like it. But I have never before had so much trouble, serious trouble, and frustration with a new Mac system and I've been using Macs for 26 years. I am convinced there is something wrong with Lion that manifests itself only over time. I can only hope that the Apple folks really dig into the system. I sympathise with William. He may not be right from a technical sense, but I have read the posts of an awful lot ot Williames out there and, to use a well-worn phrase, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Hope I haven't bored too many people, Just my take on things.

Wow. You really have managed to mess up your computer.

I agree things are better, smoother, etc in Lion. But no one, no one can help me import a folder of pictures, tile that set of pictures in powerpoint - or keynote, select them all, and crop and resize them all simultaneously in anything but Powerpoint 2004. And that is my life. I make educational radiology slides for lectures that are, in my area of radiology, a legend. I use these slides to teach radiology from Brazil to Iran to Hawaii to Greece to Saudi Arabia.

Betcha no one can import a file of images onto one slide and select them all (select all), (double click) and simultaneously crop and resize them all in 15 seconds. Try that with a set of 20 pictures in any other application. Will take you hours. No one has been able to Macro or VBA it in blogs, genius bars, MS tutorials.

I love Mac, like Lion's features, but am eviscerated at the moment. Any smart wise genius is invited to try. Money is not the problem. I have been buying and trying all versions since PPT 2004. The picture format dialogue pane disappeared after 2004. Show me how to match the function and speed lost in Lion PPT or Keynote, will buy a macro it for $300 if it matches 2004 functionality.

Any idea how to delete the Lion and reinstall Snow Leopard?

Dovah1 wrote:

Betcha no one can import a file of images onto one slide and select them all (select all), (double click) and simultaneously crop and resize them all in 15 seconds.

Any smart wise genius is invited to try. Money is not the problem. I have been buying and trying all versions since PPT 2004. The picture format dialogue pane disappeared after 2004. Show me how to match the function and speed lost in Lion PPT or Keynote, will buy a macro it for $300 if it matches 2004 functionality.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3525616

and then go to a gambling site and place your bets there.

Not much help here for people as self-important and above everybody as yourself.

Go back to Snow Leopard and MS Office 2004

Good luck and glad to see our future medicine in the hands of the wise.

It would not help, I think. I use the PNG images, import as images and edit, reedit. The pdf would not be malleable inside ppt. I need to be able to access images permanently. I always revise my lectures and each lecture is given with new images, revisions of slides, tighter cropping. In a time critical situation, my foolishness, and I need to get back to SL ASAP. I can play and learn after lecture cycle ends in June.

Just the truth. You ascribe importance, not me. I just do what I have been doing for 40 years same employer. Boring fellow really. Just panic at the moment. Sorry. I now remember why I try to avoid forums.