DO NOT UPGRADE TO LION!

I have upgraded two MBP and a MB to Lion without any issues whatsoever. I have been about 98% pleased with Lion. I have found it to be a great upgrade and offer a lot of usable features. Yet, I do have a concern that Apple appears to be moving the Mac toward being more of a consumption device than a production device. Leave the content consumption for the IOS devices, because that's what they are made for. I love my iPad 2, but I would never attempt to do serious writing, programming or design on it. My MBP is great for the video, graphic and web designs that I do. It would never happen on an IOS device. (At least not now. I'm sure technology will eventually change that also).

However, I will agree on the "Versions" issue. That is a frustration. I often open a document and immediately click "Save As," in order to create a new document. I use the old document as a "template." Of course, there is a work-around. After you open a document, click on "File -> Duplicate." Then, click "Save," and it will prompt you for a new file name. That adds two steps to what should be a one-step process...i.e., "Save As." I would love for Apple to make the "Save As" as an option again.

Although the "Versions" has not been a security issue for me, I do understand how it can be for others. If you are working on a shared and sensitive document, the old versions could create a problem for you. Again, "Versions" or "Save As" should be an option switch.

Concerning the auto re-open of windows/App, you can turn that off under the "General" settings in System Preferences.

I have found a lot of the quirks are adjustible in either the System or App Preferences.

Overall, I have found Lion to be a stable and useful OS. I hope this comment has helped.

Please try to make some sense when posting. You are the one complaining. We are just asking what specifically you are complaining about but you won't tell us. Just rant rant rant. If you have a problem please state it clearly.

Two Lion installs with no current issues. Although I was smart enough to keep a clone of my former Snow Leopard intallation. From that clone I could easily boot up from my old system while making the transiton to Lion.

I simply installed Lion and chose the Migrate Later option. While still working in Snow Leopard, I would periodically boot to Lion and tweeked and learned the software. Once I was comforable with my mail sync and wifi connections I used Migration assistant to move my Apps and docs to Lion. Worked like a champ.

Robert Hartmann1 wrote:

If you dont have a problem you dont go to that discussion. and the ones who help or advice are always only a few check the other posts. Only the posts with major issues when everyone has them gets such high number of views. Also you dont need to post the same problem over again its enough to read about it.

No, many people without problems read the post to see what is wrong and if they can help. I check back often to see if any progress is made. I imagine almost everyone that helps out here does the same. I probably have five to ten reads a week on those threads.

Some read the posts because they are thinking of upgrading.

Almost nobody that posts looks to see if their problem already exists. The same problems are posted over, and over, and over on these forums. I found it really annoying until I tried to use the search function and never could find the things I was looking for, so I stopped complaining and succumbed to repeating the same answer I gave the last time it came up the week prior.

I know this is an old post but what makes this person a troll in your eyes? I've had nothing but trouble with Lion, in fact, I hate it and would put Snow Leopard back on if it were simple to do.

Virtually nothing on my Macbook works properly or as well as before since I installed Lion.

Wish I never had

My question to you is why did you not clone and preserve you're old fully functioning Snow Leopard Volume? You could then still be working in Snow Leopard while you work out the issues transitioning to Lion? That would have been the prudent thing to do. Why would you trash a perfectly working Snow Leopard install with all your tweaks, customization and third party installations? Just asking.

I switched to Mac when Tiger was OS. The reason was it seemed all Apple products did something PC products didn't: they worked. They worked first time every time. When every upgrade came out, I downloaded it with no problems. I never upgraded any Windows OS for at least 9 months as they all had problems. After doing this with every OS through Snow Leopard why would I expect Lion to be any different? And I didn't realize I was trashing Snow Leopard. If I had given any thought to potential problems with Lion, I still would have assumed I could uninstall Lion and Snow Leopard would still be there. I'm naive enough to think Apple wouldn't release operating systems that wouldn't run any of the Apple products I'd purchased. I don't even know how to clone an operating system. It may have been prudent but I'm not a computer geek. I don't understand how things work and don't want to. When I buy something I,perhaps foolishly, expect them to work like they're supposed to. Until Lion, virtually every Apple product I've put on any of my Macs has done just that.

Why shouldn't I expect Apple to at the very least put out some sort of warning or announcement that their newest operating system may not be compatible with some Apple products, even ones purchased within the last month before Lion's release? Why do you think I should have to treat Apple products as if they came from Microsoft? Why should I have to go to that much trouble ( I understand that cloning an OS is not much trouble to someone with your obvious expertise) to make sure an Apple product would work on my Macbook? I can buy comparable PC laptops and desktops for far less than I pay for my Macs. I spend the extra money gladly so I won't HAVE to do things like clone Snow Leopard. Why do you think I would spend more money on products that I should expect NOT to work properly? Just asking.

I see you have a MacBook. May I ask what model? I understand your frustration. Lion did drop support for Rosetta which allowed users to run legacy software built for Power PC. I believe this was made pretty clear by Apple. But to focus on your current problem provide you a way forward maybe I can help. Just one more question. Do you have the Snow Leolard Install DVD and how big is your external back up drive?

i would have to agree with tom after getting my macbook back from repairs i found that they had upgraded me to lion and cnat beleive how i have lost due to the fact that i can even open three quaters of my apps due to the power pc app errors, and yes before you say it, i know why its happening and i know wat u have to do but for most of my programs the company has moved on to other things and even then the others ask for payment for the extension to fix it.

i strongly think after being an apple user for many years this is the worstt thing to date, even the clam shell wasnt this bad.

keith contarino wrote:

I switched to Mac when Tiger was OS. The reason was it seemed all Apple products did something PC products didn't: they worked. They worked first time every time. When every upgrade came out, I downloaded it with no problems.… After doing this with every OS through Snow Leopard why would I expect Lion to be any different?

Keith, my experience with Mac OSX was similar to yours. I upgraded from version to version with nary a problem until Lion. I agree that's how it should be. But Lion was a catastrophe until I went to a "scorched-earth" install. Wiped the hard drive, wrote zeroes over everything, installed Lion from scratch, and slowly re-installed all my apps, utilities, etc from scratch only after thoroughly checking that what I installed worked with Lion (and a big shout out to roaringapps.com -- a big, big help). I used to do this kind of install regularly in the pre-OSX days. (For the record, I cleared all PowerPC code from my Snow Leopard installation before Lion was even released.)

That some upgrades go without a hitch and others don't is probably to be expected with any operating system. I am no newbie to Macs or to migrating to a new OS but it seems to me that Lion is more susceptible to left over crud (and not just PowerPC stuff) buried in the depths of System folder, Library folder, etc.

Lion is now running decently though not without some niggling problems. Mainly apps don't react as quickly as I think they should. For example, when I invoke an app via Dock or Spotlight, there is a short but noticeable lag before the app actually starts up. And sometimes when I try to quit using command-q, the app doesn't respond at first. Not show-stoppers by any means but annoying.

How dare you criticise Lion? Who do you think you are? You're clearly not intelligent enough to appreciate how wonderful it is.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that criticsm of Lion is unwarranted or unwelcome. We had a decade of the previous OS X pardigm. Most of the complaints I see are migration issues i.e. unsupported legacy or third party applications and hardware. How much responsibility does the consumer bear when he decides to upgrade?

Keith said: "And I didn't realize I was trashing Snow Leopard. If I had given any thought to potential problems with Lion, I still would have assumed I could uninstall Lion and Snow Leopard would still be there."......." I don't understand how things work and don't want to."

OK I get it. That is why we have Lion. But it's hard to have much sympathy when a user has absolutely no inclination to understand the consequences of not backing his system and plunging head long into the abyss.

The problem is "not" Lion 10.7.2. The problem is the failure of most users who are dissatified with Lion to prepare for the possibility, if not the inevitability, of disappointment in a new paradigm or loss of functionality in hardware or software. There is a way forward for Keith and it depends on him how painless the experience will be. So far he has not indicated any interest in a way forward.

Tom, my Macbook is a 13" mid 2010 model. The last one made I believe. 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo with 4 Gig 1067 MHz DDR3 memory. My external hard drive has 2 terrabytes (spelling) of space. The only things on it are television shows and movies that take up about 50 Gigabytes. Don't think I have Snow Leopard Install DVD.

Yes, the problems I initially had were mainly due to Rosetta being gone. Office For Mac 2011 which I had just purchased would not work so I had no word processor and could open no documents. Couldn't open any spreadsheets either.

After spending an hour on the phone with Apple I ended up buying another copy of word because Preview wouldn't open either. I don't remember the exact conversation but i felt like it was 1995 and I was on the phone with someone from Dell. The Apple representative must have said "That doesn't make any sense" or "I don't know why that won't work" 20 times which was my experience with every PC I owned. I went through 4 scanners that supposedly were compatible with Lion before I got one that actually works. I still don't have a printer as I've had to return 5. Even after going to each manufactuers website and downloading correct drivers none would work.

I don't know what Apple did but 10.7.2 now at least recognizes all my apps. The only 2 big problems left are the battery time and printer. Another thread suggested I turn off the computer and hold down shift control option (or command, I can't remember) for at least 10 seconds when turning it back on. This worked. When fully charged the battery now has 7 hours at least. When I installed Lion battery life dropped to a maximum of 3 hours.

I should mention that I Tunes has gone nuts. It turns itself on and starts playing videos at random times. It prevents me from shutting down or restarting the computer and often force quit won't work. At times I'd see the battery drop 2 hours time in a minute and when I checked Activity Monitor, ITunes was using 80-100% CPU. When this happens to the battery either ITunes or dashboard client have taken over CPU and running near 100% of it. Still don't know what Dashboard Client is or how to stop it.

Random inexplicable windows pop up all the time. Just now an alignment window popped up and I couldn't close it.

The biggest help you or anyone else could give me would be to reccomend a compatible printer under $150.

Thanks

keith

The biggest help you or anyone else could give me would be to reccomend a compatible printer under $150.

I just bought an Epson NX530 for $59. Seems to be working well. Most of the reviews were good.

My daughter has an NX420 which she has been using since last summer.

I haven't done a massive amount of printing by any means, but the functionality seems to be good.

I'm Glad you have your Lion install settled. I researched and just purchased an Epson Workforce 845. Both Scanner and Printer are fully supprted by Epson and Apple. It does the job for me. You will have to search for the best price. I purchased mine at Best Buy for $131.00 I've seen them as high as $200 on Amazon. CNET review

below. Once you install the software, make sure you go to Apple Software Update and download the Latest Update. http://reviews.cnet.com/multifunction-devices/epson-workforce-845-all/4505-3181_ 7-35034223.html