What happened to Save As?

Steve - great video - **** of a lot of screws!

I also thought the problem was just a loose connection. I had a friend look at it and when he opened it up he confirmed what the apple shop said - it needs a new screen - Rp5,000,000 - half the price of a new 13" MBP. So now they use it with an external monitor. It does seem strange that the screen works if you twist it and hold it with one hand - can't be much wrong with it can there! You would be welcome to have a look at it.

My daughter needs her own laptop instead of sharing with the kids so that's why I'm giving her my black macbook when the new battery arrives. Plus the fact that I don't have to feel guilty about buying a new retina! haha.

There seems to be a bit of a scramble to buy older MBPs at the moment but I suspect that the reason is more to do with people not being able to get their heads around living without hard drives and CD drives. To me its a no brainer! No moving parts means more speed and no mechanical problems. If I were you I would stick with your plan - 11" Air and a big thunderbolt screen. The advantages of the incredibly fast thunderbolt ports, solid state memory and more portability outweight the autosave and save as issues.

Its actually now only the autosave issue, which after all is just a software problem and most of the software I use in ML does not have autosave.

Mark,

I can have a look if you want. I will probably drop by the office in the next few days.

I am going to wait for the 13 inch MBP Retina. The MBPr 15 inch my wife will get will be enough for now.

The Air 11 inch with 8GB takes 2 months to be delivered here in Bali. I also find that the 13 inch is a better sizi of I have to use it on the road. Plus the MBPr is a powerful machine so it will be years before it is "slow". The Air is less powerful.

Steve.

Thanks stefano. I am happy with jpeg files in folders and SL Preview.

I can't get iOS6 to revert to iOS5 but we still have one iPod and one iPad safe with iOS5.

I am guessing that Apple will start making software updates compulsory. You will turn on your computer and find that it already turned itself on in the night and downloaded and installed the latest update, put all your images in iPhoto and all your music in iTunes, all your contacts on the iCloud, with all your files, without your permission.

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Yes, Aperture too duplicates photos.

There is a simple solution to the problems with iPhoto: drag and drop your old copy of iPhoto6 into mountain lion. Boot holding the option key and create a new library. Unfortunately, if you have opened your library in a later version of iPhoto you will have to reimport or dig out an old backup if you have one. Thankfully I have never let newer versions touch the library.

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Here is another annoying thing: I get an email with the latest reply to this thread, I find I want to comment, so I click to go to the discussion, I then click sign in, I sign in and it dumps me on the main discussions page, so I have to navigate back to where I started. How dumb is that?

The book, Shopcraft as Soulcraft, which I mentioned previously may provide an explanation. Apparantly the uncertainty of a career in management encourages the top guys to distance themselves as much as possible from ALL details of the operation. Their language is as vague as possible so that later, when things go wrong or right, they can claim the interpretation of their words that is most creditable to them. This means that important decisions are made by low level people, who are dispensible. Steve Jobs was the linchpin at Apple because he was like the benevolent dictator and not beholding to anyone. I just realized that the future is a depressing prospect without him.

Steve,

I am sorry to hear of your separate disasters trying to get things done. I've held off from iCloud because my Internet connection is not real fast and I didn't want a lot of unexpected sync-ing to slow me down. I think I'll continue to avoid it until the daily usage issues calm down. Likewise I have always avoided iPhoto, initially because the folder system was so obtuse. I have never had a good photo directory substitute though as I made do with the Kodak program for years (which was simple at least). I tried Aperature which has some advantages, and I'm now trying to use the Adobe Organizer which I like but is slow.

For these file issues I was very pleased to find the technique for restoring Save As using Keyboard Shortcuts and learning how to suspend the auto-save feature. I feel like my points of frustration are calming down now and I completely credit these bulletins.

Jim

These monkeys in charge of Apple now only have stock options.

My wife bought a 13 inch Air today. We wanted the Retina MBP but we read about problems with those models that have an LG screen. The Samsung ones don't have issues. Apple refuses to admit there is a problem, and still sells the LG screen MBP Retinas. We could not guarantee that the Retina MBP we would buy would be a Samsung screen and the reseller would not let us return it if it was an LG screen. There is a simple test you can do to find out, but you have to inbox it todo that. So no way to guarantee a working screen, and Apple refusing to admit to the proble, we went for the Air instead. $1,000 less to Apple.

I am now in the process of taking my 5 year old laptop from Lion back to Snow Leopard and removing it from the internet totally. I am excited. A work computer that has no Versions and has Save-As amd no iCloud. It is like a dream I once had, that is suddenly coming true. Oh wait, no that was no dream, it was just the way life was a year ago.

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There is no reason to be upgrading a working computer continuously. My computer use is 95% work related and I stuck with OS9.2 and only upgraded to 10.4.2. I had a considerable advantage over my colleagues, especially those who went straight to 10.0, which was a nightmare worse than Lion... probably. I say probably because I did not experience either first hand.

Sorry Oxcart but I have to disagree with you. The reason to upgrade is added features. Sure the older system works but the new system SHOULD be better. You pay for "better". It is just that Apple think different = better.

You are mistaken. Problem is the new is no longer means better. They want you to upgrade to earn more money only. All new features could be in 10.6.9 without this crappy Lion and Mountain Lion stuff and they could be free , but no - they must have money so they reinwent the wheel.

If I have PPC Machine proably also be using Tiger and OS 9.

Hi:

old news from the world of Microsoft Save As

http://www.macworld.com/article/1161394/office_2011_lion_features.html

this is what worrried me. Will they offer an opt-in / opt-out If they ever get it out..

cheers elo

Got myself off iCloud. Doing a big backup, then reinstalling Snow Leopard on my 5 year old laptop. I'm so excited.

My wife got a MacBook Air 13 inch. The new hardware but the old design, from when Steve was around. We looked at a Retina MBP but we found that the ones with an LG screen have ghosting problems. Apple know about it, there is a discussion here with 350k views, but they are still selling them. No product recall. We also saw how with complex websites like Facebook the CPU can't keep up with the retina screen demands, making the screen jerk slightly. So we decided that the non-Steve-Jobs Retina MBP had been rushed to market unfinished and untested. Like so many recent Apple products. I will also get an Air soon as a second work computer. I think it will be known as the last of a classic.

I also found out that the Apple store here will sell iPad 2's without the iOS6 update. I might get one more as I think it will be a collectors item in a few years time, still running Google Maps. The last truly Steve Jobs inspired product.

That's great Steve. As I said, my MacMini and black macbook (now my daughter's macbook) are both back on SL. The black macbook allowed me to install Lion but not M. Lion, - strange! As Lion is the worst of the three it absolutely had to be changed back to SL.

However, my main machine is the retina MBP on Mountain Lion, so I have to live with the few things I don't like.

As a matter of interest, did you get as far as trying Mountain Lion or did you only try Lion. The "option button save as" is quite usefull, so my two main complaints are autosave and Mail. I hate the leather and torn pages too but that does not prevent me from using them. They are just ridiculously childish thats all! Not only are the new decision makers at Apple obsessed with re-inventing the wheel, they also have no taste.

Unfortunately I have the LG screen, but I can't say I have noticed any problems yet. Neither have I experienced the "creaking" that everybody talks about.

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This is blowing my mind. We got a MacBook Air. We had 10.8.2 installed. We downloaded Numbers and Pages from the Apps store. And guess what? No Versions, no Duplicate and no Save-As. No using the option key to get Save-As. No versions arrow. And... Numbers makes an autosave document in the same folder as the original document, with a ~ after the name. This remains in the folder as a separate document. Then it also makes an autosave document with (autosave) after the name, but that disappears on closing the file. What is this madness? I just don't understand?!

Numbers makes an autosave document in the same folder as the original document, with a ~ after the name. This remains in the folder as a separate document. Then it also makes an autosave document with (autosave) after the name, but that disappears on closing the file. What is this madness? I just don't understand?!

Sounds like the same thing Adobe's InDesign does. It will create a temp file like that in the same folder of the actual document, but doesn't hide it. Basically, it's a scratch file you shouldn't see.

Sure I figured that, but where is Versions, Save-As and Duplicate? I have no Save-As with or without the Option key pressed, no duplicate, and no arrow next to the file name that brings up the versions window. I looked in Time Machine and the Versions options were not there. So I now have a non Versions Mountain Lion computer. What happened? Did they just ditch it and not tell anyone? Am I going crazy? I have checked in Text Edit and there are no Versions there.