I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?
Pages-OTHER, Mac OS X (10.7)
If I understand well, you want to get my answer.
Alas, as I wrote in the message which Kurt Lang reported to Apple, I was asked to no longer respond to such questions.
I apply the rule, no less, no more.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 15 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Hej guys,
Let's not get personal please, no-one walking on this earth is perfect, not even Lion OSX ( pun).
But let's stick to fact-finding and let us get the message through to Apple Inc.:
that Save - As has to be there, at-least as an opt-in.
And thank you raftr & Dennis for the excellent description of the present (not-very-user-friendly) Lion OSX (non-SAVE-AS) situation!
/ OmarKN
Alas, as I wrote in the message which Kurt Lang reported to Apple
Ah, poor soul. Assuming I reported you. And now you play the victim again to make it sound like I tattled on you. Let's not overlook the childishness of naming me in the open. I'd say "unbelievable", but it's such a common occurrence with you I've come expect it.
In reality, I didn't care for the fact that you seemed to think it was okay to air a personal email issue with the world in these forums, and I responded. On reflection, I reported on myself. What the hosts decided to remove was up to them as I mentioned nothing in particular for removal.
I guess that it's why I received :
Yvan,
I have been alerted that you have been sending emails to another user's personal email address.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) dimanche 15 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
On 2012/03/20 I warned Matt that I will not remain silent.
I did what I said.
Ni dieu ni maître !
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 16 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Look at what we will perhaps get soon :
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 16 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Clearly, I'm not fond of such a device but as I already posted,« The times they are a' changing ».
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 16 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
At first I thought, how typically devious of you to respond by throwing a ridiculous curve ball in our direction with the story abiut a touch- screen iMac. But then, I thought about it some more.
Guess what? About a year before the release of the first Macintosh in 1984, I was invited by a Hewlett Packard sales rep to see a demo of their innovative touch- screen computer. It had a display only a little bigger than the first Mac. Around the perimeter of the screen was a set of infrared beams that detected, in a grid, where you touched the display. It seemed like a cool device for point and click operations ... just like the ATM machines that Citibank was installing at all their branches. But, I hasten to add that it was not without a keyboard.
So, before you tell me that there will be no need for a keyboard in the iMacs of the future because voice recognition will be perfect and ubiquitous someday, let me just say that AppleCare has a voice recognition system that is incapable of accurately interpreting my voice commands in the current 2012 world. Half the time, it "thinks" I've said iPod Touch no matter what else I have said that doesn't sound anything like that. And no matter how clearly or slowly I recite my serial number, it gets it right no more than 5% of the time.
Maybe I will someday swipe my hand around on my computer screen. Maybe someday Apple will sell. living roomTV that makes remote controls seem like prehistoric anachronisms. Maybe in the future I will also learn how to cook the way my mother did. Who cares about maybe and the future? This thread is about Lion TODAY.
If Apple decides to make keyboards an optional extra-cost accessory for those who want them, then at least customers will have the CHOICE. When they took away Firewire 400 ports, we have the CHOICE of buying a cable that converts 800 to 400 so we don't have to discard our external hard drives. When they built MacBook Air laptops without optical drives, they gave us the CHOICE of buying an external accessory. They didn't just do what they did with the elimination of SAVE AS which is to say, like it or not, it's gone and you better get used to living without it. Moreover, we're discussing software, not hardware, which costs nobody anything extra.
If somebody has a theory that eliminating SAVE AS is a mastermind's clever way of selling higher capacity SSD drives, I am not ready to believe that conspiracy theory. If someone has an explanation that auto-saving versions cuts down on the baor cost for AppleCare And Genius Bar agents supporting helpless users who lose their data, it has yet to be put forward. The only defenses in this thread for the removal of SAVE AS are a continual stream of rebuttals whose themse is "bling progress" and diversionary messages such as the latest one about Michelangelo.
sorry for the typo in the last paragraph. I wrote " labor" or at least I tried to write "labor" on my iPad, which thoughtfully changed the spelling for me to a different word, "baor" which is not even in the dictionary.
I'm pretty sure this only happens tox me and all other users of iOS devices have no such experiences. :-)
We know what Lion is today.
We know also what Mountain Lion is today.
In both cases Save As is dropped from Apple applications.
Today, an application which allow the user to disable Version or/and Autosave can't be in the list of Lion's aware applications.
It seams that it's clear enough.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 16 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Really? And whom, may I ask respectfully, is "we" ?
If by "we" you refer to yourself and the other stubborn, clairvoyant writers who insist that the rest of us adhere to your preferred way of working, I can only say that doesn't include me. I don't yet have access to Mountain Lion.
If and when we are successful in our effort to have SAVE AS returned to us, there will be plenty of humble pie for you to swallow .. and choke on.
As I already wrote, in Mountain Lion there is at least one more Apple application which dropped Save As : Scripts Editor.
There are none so deaf as those who refuse to hear.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 16 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Hi;
script editor. one more applications on the black list.
Back in the dark ages when I/We used to do BETA testing for IBM/Other Software and our own systems. we had different type of beta testers.
the academic/auditor who tested to see if software worked according to the book(nitpicky, nothing to loose), the operational person who tested to see it worked as it should and can we live with it), and then the end user whose job/livelyhood depended on the new software/application (out of a job it it does not work).
each person's comments were considered before we made a final decision.
I believe apple will do the same. they will eventually consider all the users.
wonder which category Yvan is in???
Yvan? what is your job ? I know you were a potter. What business experience do you bring to the discussion list here??? I would like to know how to evaluate and consider what you say.
I appreciate as have many others the deep knowledge that you have of both Pages and Numbers. But what do you do with it? is it a living like most of us? or are you an academic type who just loves the products?????
I for one like the two products I do things with them I cannot do with any other product but if they can not do not do the job I require in my business I will drop them and move on .. just like any other business would.
elo
elol wrote:
Yvan? what is your job ? I know you were a potter. What business experience do you bring to the discussion list here??? I would like to know how to evaluate and consider what you say.
Whatever he does he's not in the service industry that's for sure!
So, let me get this straight.
You say you have seen, or you have been using, or you somehow have authoritative information about MOUNTAIN LION.
I reply that I am not yet able to use Mountain Lion.
You reply that in Mountain Lion, the program Script Editor will behave without the SAVE AS menu command.
Am I missing something Yvan, or did you just give us another of your deflective non-responses?
As for your proverb about deafness, I hereby propose this quote in response: It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt. Some say it's from the Bible, others attributre it to Confucius, Mark Twain, George Eliot, Ben Franklin or Socrates.
For today's purpose, let's just say you heard it from me.
What happened to Save As?
