About the little scrollbar arrows...

Well, Apple has another chance to meet the needs of those who buy expensive and powerful Mac computers in the upcoming release of Lion (10.7.3), Lets hope they include our little scroll arrows as on option.

Otherwise, is there a Terminal command that might bring them back? I've already eliminated some unpleasant Lion behaviors that way.

Or maybe a developer will code it as an "Other" system preference (is that the right term?) for users to add.

This development is really disconcerting as I was excited to upgrade to Lion. I won't be upgrading anytime soon as I am a graphics professional who uses Photoshop quite a bit.

And now I´d like to go just a little bit off the main topic here...

All windows in OS X Lion don´t have the information about number of folders and/or files at the bottom anymore. I know you can go to the Action button on the top of the window but: why should I have to do that when we used to have it right there?

Also on the previous system we had a lever that allowed us to enlarge or reduce icons without having to go to the View options window to do that, but well that lever is gone too. So much for practicality!!!

So another couple of annoying things to look forward on Lion.

So much for complaining without checking...

Both of the "issues" you list are still available in Lion.

In Finder, choose the 'View' menu at the top and select 'Show Status bar'.

You´re right sorry for complaining about that without checking first.

A big Thank you to "softwater" for actually helping me correct this issue.

You used to be able to turn the sidebar on and off with a button on the upper right corner of the window. That has been removed and replaced with a keyboard command (cmd+option+s).

Simpler is not always better.

Add my name to the growing list of users frustrated by Lion's removal of scroll bar arrows. I have developed Excel workbooks consisting of multiple spreadsheets. To quickly switch between spreadsheets within a workbook, you click on the spreadsheet tabs at the bottom of the screen. The tab area kind of shares space with the scroll area, so if you have lots of tabs that you want to display, you take away from the scroll area. In short, I have a relatively tiny scroll area to move back and forth in order to display the viewing area I want to work with for each spreadsheet. With scroll bar arrows, I could easily click and move from column to column, but now having to drag the little scroll bar "smudge" back and forth, one needs the hand control of a surgeon to get anywhere close to precision.

You completely dropped the ball with this one, Apple.

I downloaded Lion within days of release - far sooner than I've done in the past, lulled into a false sense of security by the elegance of Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard. I'm disabled, my hand shakes slightly and my eyesight isn't too great - but I still consider myself to be an artist, and what I do not need is Apple making me feel even more disabled than I really am. So, like everybody else I've spoken to on this subject, please can we have our arrows back?

Ra1n5had0w,

you did not specify exactly what other problems you are experiencing, but this TinkerTool utility provides for many options in Snow Leopard and Lion. No arrows in Lion, though.

http://www.bresink.com/osx/0TinkerTool/details.html

To request the arrows back, leave a comment for Apple at:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

Not a solution, but here's an easy work around:

http://osxdaily.com/2011/12/09/no-scrollbar-arrows-mac-os-x-lion-workaround/

Unfortunately that workaround doesn't always work. I use an audio analysis tool where I have to perform pretty detailed navigation in sound files that may last up to 30 minutes. Obviously, swipes or click-and-drag don't give enough control, suddenly I have moved a minute instead of 30 milliseconds. Arrow keys do work, but the control isn't as fine as with the scrollbar arrows. So I am still on Snow Leopard.

Some of my students also need to use this audio analysis tool. I have used Macs since 1993, and have always recommended Macs. Now I've just stopped recommending them, because I know that the missing scrollbar arrows will just make some tasks harder. (And because of other Lion issues that annoy experienced computer users.)

Jardar Abrahamsen wrote:

So I am still on Snow Leopard.

Some of my students also need to use this audio analysis tool. I have used Macs since 1993, and have always recommended Macs. Now I've just stopped recommending them, because I know that the missing scrollbar arrows will just make some tasks harder. (And because of other Lion issues that annoy experienced computer users.)

Why don't you recommend that they go back to Snow Leopard like yourself?

If Apple can give us the option to hide or display the scroll bars, is there a good reason that they can't give us the option to hide or display the scroll bar arrows?

Rysz wrote:

Not a solution, but here's an easy work around:

http://osxdaily.com/2011/12/09/no-scrollbar-arrows-mac-os-x-lion-workaround/

It is not even a workaround. The arrow keys have been posted about a zillion times, and the posts replied to a zillion times saying you have to take your hand off the mouse or trackpad to use the keys, which is not acceptable.