About the little scrollbar arrows...

Tiger to Lion? You missed out on two of the most innovative and stable OSs Apple put out! No wonder you are finding it difficult to adjust. You can always go back to Snow Leopard from your backup clone until some third party hack comes along. I find trackpad scrolling much better. But if Lion doesn't suit you, just revert to SL.

@mulligans missus ... What a bunch of hooey and a most unhelpful answer. A few years ago I bought a MacBook with 10.5 ... when 10.6 came out, I upgraded. Meh. Nothing to write home about. Then the 10.6.3 update crashed my harddrive! Before I got it back up, the laptop was stolen ... So I bought a used MacBook that had 10.4.11 ... very stable and did what I needed it for it to do. There were only a few things that I missed from 10.5 but they weren't important. I recently bought a new MacBook Pro with 10.7 installed.

Guess what ... I don't have the 10.6 disks to go back to and I suspect neither does Susan. So there is no "just reverting to SL" without having to go out and buy the disks. Besides, since the MBPro came with 10.7, I don't know if it will accept 10.6.

So Susan and I have both gone from a very stable 10.4.11 to 10.7.2 and what have we gained in productivity? I can't speak for Susan, but for me ... NADA! Not a thing! In fact, I'm using Camino to type this because Safari 5.1.2 is being finicky and won't log onto this site ... now how is that for irony? Eh? ... I can't use Safari to log onto an Apple website!

Safari has been another disappoint in Lion. It unloads pages in background and when I click on tab, I have to wait for the page to reload from the web ... well heck, if I wanted the page to unload I'd close the tab but Safari thinks it knows better than I do ... not fun when I'm on a slow connection and have to wait for the reload. It is still go goes blank on me. I get a white page and a spinning beach ball until it decides it ready. Patheic ... I'm using Safari less and less.

It's sad enuff that I have to put up with the dull, ugly monochrome ... but it's worse to put with poorly designed software.

As for the arrows, I keep seeing "I use the trackpad" ... The last desktop that I had didn't have a trackpad. So does Apple not care about them? I often use a mouse with my laptop ... so now I often have to come back to the trackpad to try to move just that tiny bit that the arrows used to let me do but I can't anymore because the uberlords decided they know what's best for me.

I think back to that 1984 commercial ... Apple has become Big Brother ... We need the woman with the sledgehammer to beat some sense into the folks at Apple before they start losing their base.

Hmmmmm obviously that you really are well behind with technology. Snow Leopard was the first OS to only run on Intel machines. The rest of what you are ranting about, well I can't make any sense out of it except that I hope you still have your tiger disks and a tiger backup to go back to something you can use.

Cheers and good luck.

Charming condecension MM toward this new Lion adopter and by extension to all of us who demand this functionality is not appropriate on this board. Perhaps your needs don't require those little scrollbar arrows. Just don't dismiss us because our needs are different from yours.

MM is a renowned and persistent troll. His only need is to get a reaction, hence the provocative comments on this and every other thread he takes part in.

While definitely a troll (starting flamewars in the Apple Discussion community? c'mon. C'MON), I'm surprised to find that Mulligans Missus is a male. That moniker sounds like a reference to somebody's wife, at least to these ears. That said, I agree with the multitude that MM's comments are not at all to point (suck it up and grow a pair, to paraphrase). MM, please post your comment in the "Gee whiz, Apple software engineers are just omnipotent Titans subject to Papal Infallibility" thread. The rest of us miss our little arrows.

Glad to see you all solved the thread with your combined knowledge of Lion. Yawn. To the OP. back up your system and go back to Tiger if that's what you want. Fine, easy to do a d obviously suits your workflow, just don't count on taking your workflow past about 2010 because there will be no PPC updates nor system updates, nor security updates etc. etc. if you want to keep a computer up to date then update your system or buy an old cheap one that runs Tiger and save money.

Cheerio

Thanks for the headsup about MM. I should have acknown a beslobbering Apple minion when she/he used Orwellian Newspeak to call Apple's retreat from the supporting the PPC an "innovation".

Hey, everyone's entitled to an opinion, and this is the right place to voice it. But her/his condescension towards someone who doesn't like an Apple "innovation" is unnecessary, counterproductive and insulting. The implied suggestion behind her "advice" is, "anyone who disagrees with me is stupid." Because, of course, Apple has never made any mistakes in the past. They never made the Cube, or the Newton. All anyone here is asking for is the ability to restore something we all used daily and, apparently, loved enough to complain when it was taken away. And the only alternative does not need to be: go back to Tiger. I have not used a PPC computer in 7 years, but I want my little arrows AND my speedy, streamlined Lion interface. I'm not asking too much. It's eminently do-able, especially by the Geniuses on Apple's OS team. And if enough voices here chime in for it, we will see the return of our little pals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBLbdDAzNfM&list=UUjOU815Or_KCRUY1YiJ-Qxw&index=2 &feature=plcp

I agree with all you'all. I found a way to get my pages scrolling slowly. Using you little mouse wheel. It makes pages scroll very slowly including inside any application's menus. I use a wacom tablet on my right hand a an apple mouse on my left. It works great! Just don't move the mouse and the tablet pen at the same time. 😉

Untill they restore the arrows that is the only way I found to get what we had in 10.6

sergioberimbau wrote:

Untill they restore the arrows

That'll be when they also bring back Rosetta, Exposé, and "Save as". And when Apple iCoffee is included with the OS (it makes coffee right from your computer). Something more for the mysteriously transgender Mrs. Mulligan to cream her/himself over.

Just one more voice. I miss the scroll arrows, a lot, and really think the scroll bar itself is too small. Using the arrow keys works for some things but not all. So much to like about 10.7, but the lack of scroll arrows and skinny scroll bars are NOT one of them. They really messed up the ergonomics. And no I don't intend to buy a trackpad just to make it work right. Frankly I don't like trackpads or the new apple mice at all. Very difficult for many individuals to use, especially those of us with disabilities (minor or major) I also use photoshop and other graphic programs and the lack of precision control is disturbing.

Really hope Apple realizes they went to far and corrects this.

David247 wrote:

Just one more voice. I miss the scroll arrows, a lot, and really think the scroll bar itself is too small. Using the arrow keys works for some things but not all. So much to like about 10.7, but the lack of scroll arrows and skinny scroll bars are NOT one of them. They really messed up the ergonomics. And no I don't intend to buy a trackpad just to make it work right. Frankly I don't like trackpads or the new apple mice at all. Very difficult for many individuals to use, especially those of us with disabilities (minor or major) I also use photoshop and other graphic programs and the lack of precision control is disturbing.

Really hope Apple realizes they went to far and corrects this.

yes is only small thing to some. not all have full trackpads or can use mouse for scrolling properly. Scroll arrows were very big part of apple. would love them back but if no then just have to get on with things.

I wonder if anyone from support is reading this thread?

PLEASE BRING BACK SCROLLBAR ARROWS AND RESTORE THE SCROLLBARS TO THEIR ORIGINAL THICKNESS!

I agree!!!!!!!

APPLE THIS IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!