Logic 7.2.......Well I guess no posts = good news :-)

i am often called exactly these type of people when they are struggling with the score in logic in particular. you won't see any of these guys here exactly because they don't go any further into the tech aspects than they have to. as didn't i until joining the forum. i joined primarily to try and get some attention to the score editor bugs.

there are feature requests i have pertinent to the work flow of a busy media writer i have as well i desperately would like to have addressed.

1. 1 bug outside of score that bothers me is copy and pasting of audio configurations. it doesn't always (in fact hardly ever) work properly. often you get an error message saying "audio configuration doesn't exist" and when it doesn work, the esx instruments don't copy across. the esx plug-ins do but not the set instruments.

2. copying and pasting of control strip settings doesn't work from audio instrument to audio (for me anyway).

3. this is more of feature request - there needs to be a more efficient way of translating audio instruments used for mockups to have the same configuration when recording the live instruments. audio instrument to audio exchange, where all information regarding sends, effect plug-ins, and automation are switched from audio instrument to audio track.

i'll try not to get into feature requests because in the score editor at least there really wouldn't be any stopping me.

Rohan Stevenson1.
I don't use the Score Editor and so don't have those problems. As a composer and writer I play all parts myself and for MIDI find the Matrix the quickest way to move stuff around and fix things.
Someone mentioned that Logic should have a beta testing program and, of course, they do. One of my friends is a beta tester for Logic. He's a moderator over on the Yahoo LUG. He, and the other beta testers he knows, almost daily send reports to Apple about bugs and wish list items. I could probably persuade him to drop by here to explain how that all works. But he's very busy as he does a lot of other things like write music, and write manuals for various music software programs...:)
As far as track configuration goes I'm sure you know that you can save track settings as a preset that can then be pulled up on any Audio or Instrument track you want. Automation can also be copied and pasted, BTW.

All these bugs have to be in a data base that the programmers have. At that point "sombody" decides what is important and allocates programming resources to it.

Obviously garageband compatability, looping functions, delay compensation, and all the other new features that are driven by marketing have been chosen over clean code and reliablility.

If I was King, I would stop all development of soundtrack pro, all new proposed features, and nail these bugs to the wall. If all of the feature set that was included in Logic were working properly NOTHING could stop it from taking over the world!

amen to that, your majesty.

Your friend has most assuredly signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement and should not come over here and disclose anything!

By order of the King!

michael, thanks for this.

i have been running a big thread on score issues for sometime here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=151978&start=0&tstart=0

and in particular my document regarding some of these bugs here:

http://www.stevenson.homechoice.co.uk/documents/LogicProScoreRequests.pdf

i have to say, i am so desperate to have these score issues looked at i would just about be prepared to donate a kidney, or any other appropriate body part.

i use logic as my notator of choice, despite its flaws because it is so fast and flexible to create scores with. i can and do write sohpisticated concert music with it. you can manipulate data in ways you can't with more traditional notators such as sibelius and finale. i have used both and it feels like putting on a straight jacket after using logic. but they are catching up, and sibelius in particular is solid, and simply a more complete package for notation.

i would do whatever it took to get logic's score editor and step time (i almost only ever step time) looked at and sorted out. at the very least, get what features it does purport to have to function correctly.

Rohan
The way it appears to work at Apple is that different dedicated teams handle the different aspects of Logic. I'll try to find out from my beta tester friend info on who's handling the Score Editor. I write rock and pop and blues, but on the back burner I have a long term symphony project going along. For that project, like all others, I construct the different pieces by playing them on the keyboard and when I'm satified capture a take and manipulate it in the Matrix. This goes back to the days when I had my trusty Atari using SMPTETrack which had no Score Editor....and have used the Matrix (Piano Roll) ever since. It works well for me. I've never printed out scores for other musicians because my original recordings have always been accepted so I've never had to worry about whether the score is accurate. As I say, I'll see what I can find out. BTW. How are things in London? Before I moved to the States I lived in Maida Vale for 10 years...:)

SETTING: the Council Chambers.

COUNCILMAN: "Is there not a Logic Pope willing to grant this "friend" an indulgence? Wait -- Shhhh... I hear footsteps. The King approaches!"

[The council members straighten up and try to appear nonplussed as the King enters the councilmen's chamber]

[Exuberant]
"Yourrrrrr MAJESTY! How farest thee my liege?"

[More serious]
"Sire, if I may have a moment of your time, I've been meaning to speak with you about some important domestic matters..."

[The councilman leads the King by the elbow to a far corner of the room, diverting his attention from the rest of the group. Little does the king know of the subterfuge brewing in his midst!]

To be continued...

Hi mattrixx, thanks for your reply and your understanding.

And once again, glad to know of someone else who uses capture and non-standard key command assignments. Yay! I'm not alone! [sniff] 🙂

Swapping out RAM... Thanks for your suggestion. I'm going to try this. May I ask what brand of RAM you've got in your machine?

The King being wise and ancient of years looked around the room, his eyes fastened on the conniving counselman and in a booming voice proclaimed:

"OFF WITH HIS HEAD!"

The King took up his septre and declared it the law of the land.

All stood in awe at the power the King wielded and bowed with thier heads touching the ground trembling in fear, as Logic was rapidly fixed in the back rooms of the council chambers before the King could find out the truth of the situation.

i am coming from the classicly trained composer position, where i write and think in terms of score. i use score almost exclusively, and i step time despite being an accomplished keyboard player (cough, cough - such modesty). i do this because, again i write like i used to on manuscript, working with the interplay and voice-leading between parts. this necessitates a more vertical (in score terms) approach meaning "playing in" of parts is not practical. i use all the other midi editors constantly as part of the work flow, the interaction between which, makes logic the powerful scoring tool that it is, bugs not-with-standing.

i work this way in all styles of music i turn my hand to, although i often "perform" a midi part once it has been written, either to make a performance of it or to use the performance to draw up a tempo map, depending on the situation. but i almost always step-time first.

things in london are fine. you lived in maida vale, eh? very nice. spend much time in abbey road? hehe.

Scene 209.6
[Camera pans over hoards of the King's minions, toiling tirelessly. Dissolve to shot of intrepid criers carrying news of Logic's fixing hither and yon, while townspeople rejoice with abandon upon sackbut, bladderpipe, and cornemuse.]

what is this about?

when does the king die, and when the does the bug in logic gets fix, i hope the camera man is keeping a copy of this whole scene for future reference

Rohan,
I had a brief chat with my beta tester friend and whilst the Score Editor has been of low priority over the last few years, (the percentage of Logic users that use Score being very small), there is going to be a concerted effort to bring the Score up to speed for the next major release...or so it is hoped:), the main reason, from what I understand, being that the original designer of that section is back on board and running the team...so there is hope:)
I never worked at Abbey Road, but recorded with various bands at most of the major (and minor) recording studios in London throughout the '70s. The best guitar sound I ever got was at Decca Studios ( yes, in the same studio that the John Mayall with Eric Clapton 'Beano' album was recorded).

Swapping out RAM... Thanks for your suggestion. I'm
going to try this. May I ask what brand of RAM you've
got in your machine?

I could not tell you what ram I have now. It was too far back. I can tell you that I ended up with a cheap variety after playin' with some more expensive, so called brand name ram.... again, I can't remember the name of that either. May have been Corsair, but don't hold me to it.