what happened to "save as"?

Hi baltwo,

I tried it again just to be certain. I first removed my entry for Save As… in the System Preferences so ML would behave according to its defaults.

If you apply the one for Preview noted in the link, you end up with Save or Export, but no way to invoke Save As or Duplicate. They're just plain gone from the menu.

TextEdit does continue to behave the same way, with Save, Save As and Duplicate remaining under their original key commands as assigned by ML.

I much prefer to add Save As… to the Keyboard list in the System Preferences. Your menus go back to pre-Lion choices of Save and Save As with their traditional keystrokes.

Thanks for checking. I've not gone back to Lion/ML to test things out. However, I do run TextEdit 1,6 from SL to avoid all of that superficial "we're here to help you" nonsense that Apple's foisted on their iOSified OS users.😉

Dear Kurt:

I want to thank you for your prodigious effort. Who knows how long it took you to figure this out.

Apple employees are going nuts. They must have fired the Usability Group. One of the most important principles established when the Mac was first introduced was that the menu bar was always on the top of the screen and that menu items would always be in a certain order across all applications.

I have wasted so much time on this Save As problem today. I had no idea what was going on. I would type Save As in the Help menu, and it would appear in the File menu. After one use, it would go away again. I looked all over for a Preference or something to turn it back on. I thought Apple had introduced short menus like Office. I never thought of pressing the Option key. This information is not in Help!!!!

Thank God for you.

Regards,

Paula

Thank you, pjmetz. But the initial credit belongs here. After playing with their notes, I discovered you didn't have to reassign Duplicate at all. It was actually better not to.

This almost worked. I followed the directions until I got to here --->

"Where it asks what keystroke you want assigned to your new entry, press Command+Shift+S. "

It never asks me that. I'm on Mavericks (hate it, but there's no going back).

What should I do?

So bummed. Everything takes twice as long on this new OS. And *** is up with no scroll bar? As my husband says, "if you have to click on it to find it, but you can't find it... what use is that?"

I hate iPads and never use them. I can't believe I just spent all this money on a computer that makes my job more tedious.

Where's that feedback page for Apple, where they actually listen? No point complaining to you folks (although you do seem to have answers, which I appreciate).

It's the same place where you enter Save As… . Just below that is the field, Keyboard Shortcut: . Click the mouse in the blank area and press Command+Shift+S. Click the Add button and close the System Preferences.

Oh, great. OK. It's a little different in Mavericks. The whole "ellipsis" thing is a non-issue. I did it. Will reboot and see what happens. Do people even SAY "reboot" anymore?

The whole "ellipsis" thing is a non-issue.

Not really. In order for it to work correctly every time, the keyboard name you enter must match the way Apple uses it. And that's with an ellipses. I've tried three periods, and it doesn't always override the keyboard shortcut.

Yes. Rebooting is the same as restarting.

Yes, I know. But hardly anybody uses the term "reboot" anymore. Old-school, it seems.

No, what I meant is, there was nowhere to ENTER that info. Look:

Nothing I do causes it to "ask me for anything." This is it. Period.

Anyway, if it doesn't work, I've learned you can just click "option" when you click "File" in Preview and it adds "save as" to the menu. How on earth people figure this stuff out is beyond me.

Thanks very much for your help. Appreciate it!

Sorry, Kurt, but that's not an acceptable answer.

Eliminating "Save All" is illogical.

I used "Save All" all the time.

Why in the **** would Apple remove it? (rhetoricla question, I figure)

What was gained by doing so? (rhetoricla question, again)

It's right there in your own image. Menu Title is where you type Save As... Keyboard Shortcut is were you click in the empty field and press the keystroke you want assigned to the Menu Title. In this case, Command+Shift+S.

No, the OS doesn't literally ask, but I thought it should self explanatory once you're looking at the dialogue box.

It's Save As, not Save All. And I'm not sure what's unacceptable. The steps I outlined are to PUT BACK what Apple changed, not remove it.

With all due respect, Kurt, there were always two options in Preview, since the beginning, "Save All" and "Save As."

Apparently one can get to the "Save As" option by holding down the Option key. Great improvement (sarcasm).

I do a lot of bulk changes to image files using Preview, or at least I did, e.g., 40 images changed to a different outside dimension, maybe even changed the DPI. After making the changes to all the images, all I had to do is select "Save All" and all were changed automatically.

Now to do the same thing, one has to indivisually save each of the image files, one by laborious one.

Do you understand now?