What has been lost in Numbers 3.0 upgrade?

Simon,

Which data type are you using in the filter?

Jerry

Sorry Simon, I was in the Version 3 mindset.

In case you are interested, here's what the v3 panel looks like:

Jerry

Here's my updated list. I'd really appreciate it if anyone who knows how to do the things in this list with Version 3 would reply with an explanation. I checked all these reports out as well as I could, but I certainly could have missed something.

J.

Function or feature or issue

Reorganize Panel gone, no multi-level sort.

Categories View gone

References now don’t follow sorted rows as they did before.

Table Fills are not supported

German user can’t use decimal points from numeric keypad.

Split Cells is gone

Sheet View seems to be the only view available during editing. Page view only available in the Print dialog.

Page Headers and Footers are gone

Edit Toolbar (add, delete, rearrange tool icons) is gone.

Scatter Charts no longer can accept Dates on X axis

Dates can’t be used for X-Axis values in Scatter Charts

Custom Formats gone

Ability to set margins gone

Cell border custom line weight is sometimes lost when using Filter Rows

Ability to sort selected rows is gone

Header text is used in cell references and you can’t turn this “feature” off

Can’t set Page Margins; they default to about 1” all around

Formula Bar is gone, replaced by a field at the bottom of the Numbers window in which the expression is displayed but can not be edited

Graphics Inspector no longer treats a Table as an Object that can be formatted by the Graphics Inspector tools

Comments only display as Tool Tips now, can’t be static displays

Can’t open Numbers 08 documents

Not a missing feature - but an issue.

Numbers (and Pages I believe) no longer hold the Zoom ratio of the document you are working on - so when you re-open it after saving you have to re-zoom.

More annoying - it does not go back to the Sheet you were working on. So if you have a document with lots of sheets, it goes to Sheet 1 - not the last one you were working on (as the old 'better' version did).

Unless I am doing something wrong?

Nice list, Jerry. Thanks for reminding us how the app is so sleek and "streamlined" now!

My two cents.

Reorganize Panel gone, no multi-level sort.

The multi-column filter isn't too bad. But lack of multi-level support is a problem. My workaround:

Say you have columns A,B, and C and you want to sort by B then by C then by A. Add a column D with formula =B&C&A. Then sort by column D.

Header text is used in cell references and you can’t turn this “feature” off

I think you can turn it off; in General Preferences uncheck 'Cell References: Use header names as labels'

Scatter Charts no longer can accept Dates on X axis

Dates can’t be used for X-Axis values in Scatter Charts

It seems to accept dates for the X-axis in scatter charts no problem. The dates just don't display correctly on the chart. I reported it as a "bug."

SG

Another penny forgot to throw in..

References now don’t follow sorted rows as they did before.

For most purposes that's an improvement, not a loss, I think. Simplifies a lot of formulas.

SG

Thanks for all the input, everyone. Your comments here saved me a LOT of time and trouble. I make extensive use of the now-missing features... changing to 3.0 would have been a disaster!

Yes, It is possible to go back 'cos I've just done that, although I kept the previous Numbers in an iWork folder in Applications so it wasn't replaced as such.

If you've tried Numbers 3 out on an original document (which I did, unwisely as it turns out!) you'll have to revert it to the version created with the earlier Numbers even if you haven't saved any of the changes made, but that's a doddle.

I've consigned Numbers 3 to Trash (have put it in a locked folder just in case Apple decides to bring back an editable Print View and I need to upgrade, as the App store is showing that it's installed) and have gone back to version 2.3.

Jerry,

If you haven't already, don't forget to add to your list the removal of Insert>Date & Time.

SG

I can only encourage everyone to send feedback to Apple:

--> http://www.apple.com/feedback/numbers.html

I'm well aware that it won't change anything within the next few days, weeks or maybe even months... but if they recieve hundreds and thousands of negative feedback reports they might actually know that they should bring back some features.

@nitschi

or years - there are still adresses in Apple maps that is placed hundred of meters away from the real location. Apple just doesn't care: Ship product move along to next product...

Hi!

I heavily relied on auto-completion in Numbers cells. How can I restore this feature?

Thank you

SGIII wrote:

Another penny forgot to throw in..

References now don’t follow sorted rows as they did before.

For most purposes that's an improvement, not a loss, I think. Simplifies a lot of formulas.

SG

That's correct. Not all losses are bad ones. I suppose I should put an asterisk by that one.

Jerry