IPAD2 very slow after IOS 8 upgrade

I think you've been reading someone else's posts, because I never said that users coming here to this forum did "not" have a problem. What I "have said" is that this forum is not for a "GRIPE-FEST" ... but for getting solutions. And if someone picks going to other users to try and get help ... that is exactly what the forum is for. But once someone has tried several solutions for their problem and they haven't gotten any resolution, it's NOT time, at that point, to turn their posts into GRIPE-SESSIONS ... but rather ... it's time to "GO TO APPLE" and get Apple's help and tech support. That's what I've said.

And also, you'll note that this is not what the forums are for (i.e., GRIPE-FESTS, which accomplish absolutely nothing!) ... but they are for getting solutions for particular devices and particular problems.

Therefore, where users need to go, after this forum is to Apple Support ...

http://www.apple.com/support/

Or they need to go to the Apple Store ... set up an appointment here ...

https://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/

And, you should also know that the Terms of Use for this forum doesn't allow for name-calling ... :-) ... and sneaking in name-calling again, after having your post deleted once, is not abiding by the terms, either.

If you have something "for Apple" ... you should probably go to the Feedback page (if you're just wanting to give them "feedback". Apple is not here on these forums. They are for "users helping other users" ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

If ... on the other hand ... you have a problem you want Apple to fix for you, then I would go to these following links ...

http://www.apple.com/support/

http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/

davidfrommanteca wrote:

@Star Traveler - A couple of questions.

1. Can you provide an Apple link where Apple is selling the iPad 2 with iOS 8?

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/ipad/ipad2

2. Why did Apple allow iOS 8 to be installed on the iPad 2 when they knew or shoul have known the iPad 2 is not capable of handling iOS 8?

It can run iOS 8, and people are doing it. In fact the overwhelming majority of users are doing it. Apple is selling it right now. You can buy it TODAY from their online store, and Apple does allow anyone with an iPad 2 to upgrade to iOS 8.0.2 because it does work.

3. Have you notiiced all the posts with a double letter at the beginning of the post? LLike this? If you think people are doing this on purpose, I have news for you. The SSecond letter is being added by Safari. I guess that's "normal" operation for an iPad 2? I ddon't tthink sso.

That's been addressed before in other posts. It's a problem with the software that is running this forum.

I would not expect problems of that nature on an iPad Air. I suspect there's something else, different from what the original poster is experiencing, happening here. You may be well-served to start a new discussion for that problem. I suspect that something strange happened during the upgrade.

Also, you might be able to resolve this as an AppleCare call: http://www.apple.com/support/ipad/contact/ It might be worth a try at least... I recently had a problem with my old (2008) Mac Pro, that appeared to be due to a failed OS upgrade. Ultimately it turned out to be a due to hardware (video card) failure, but they were willing to work with me on it, for free, under that assumption, until it became obvious that it was in fact a hardware failure.

Just a thought.

If you're interested in giving "feedback" to Apple, this forum is not the place. Here is the place ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

If you're interested in other "users who are helping users" to solve their specific issues, then yes ... this is the place. However, if you have not been able to get the solutions you seek, "talking to Apple" here won't do a bit of good (and is not in the Terms of Use for this forum), as Apple does not interact or reply to users here. They have their official sites for giving customer service. In case you don't know where to go for that ... they are ...

http://www.apple.com/support/

http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/

You're right ... there are some features that people want. I'm waiting anxiously for the "iCloud Photo Library" as I see that as an excellent feature ... :-) ...

https://www.apple.com/ios/whats-new/photos/

BUT, you do know, that if Apple had said to iPad 2 users ... "You won't be able to upgrade and update to iOS 8" ... there would also be a FLOOD of complaints from iPad 2 users saying that Apple was discriminating against them! ... LOL ...

This isn't a complaint board. It's a forum that Apple put up so that "users helping other users" could give technical support for specific problems for each other. They didn't put it up to be a gathering place for complaints, but a gathering place for technical solutions. And furthermore, this forum is NOT Apple Support. Don't mistake this for Apple Support. It's not!

IF you do have a "complaint" it is to be directed at APPLE itself and they have the spot to do that at. In case you don't know where to register your "complaint" ... I'll give you three links and you can pick the best one for yourself.

http://www.apple.com/support/

http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

For THIS forum, if you want other users to give you some suggest for solutions, please describe it one problem at a time and describe it specifically, and do it on a thread that fits your particular problem or start a specific thread for that specific problem.

If you don't find a solution here, you can register your COMPLAINT with APPLE at the appropriate place that they have set up for that.

I should mention one other thing here, in regards to the "standard practice" of downgrading to a previous iOS. I've been with the iOS system since the first iPhone and the day they were first released. It has NEVER been the practice of Apple, at no time since the iOS first came out to downgrade to another iOS. Although the iOS are computer-like and have many of the same functions, they are still not computer systems (as I what people had been familiar with before) and it's a completely different environment and device and infrastructure ... all the way around. The way the entire iOS infrastructure works is completely and totally different from the computer systems of the past (and even of the present). You have "expectations" that Apple NEVER designed into this new and completely different infrastructure ... from the beginning.

IF ... you have a "suggestion" you want to make to Apple, this forum is not a "suggestion box" ... here is your suggestion box ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

In my view, your frustration is not unreasonable, but I don't think Apple looks here to hear of that. I recommend all - and I do mean "all"! - concerned complain at http://www.apple.com/feedback/. I have reason to believe they do listen there, because they have implemented some suggestions I (and probably others) submitted there.

They do not reply to feedback, they just acknowledge it and forward it to the engineers, we are not "apple defenders" we are normal people with half a brain, who understand that nobody is perfect, like I have stated before we offered you solutions to fix this, if you choose not to try to fix it that is nobody but your problem. So please, if you are not here to try and fix your issue just go away. If you want to talk to someone at apple that can help you, contact Apple Care, they deal with technical support.

Contact Apple Care: https://getsupport.apple.com/GetproductgroupList.action

If anybody else thinks this makes sense, then please suggest it via http://www.apple.com/feedback/. Shouldn't take more than a minute or two...

Meanwhile, unrelatedly, I'm also going to ask them to fix these discussion boards so that they don't hose up iOS auto-capitalization.

If you went to the Feedback page, as you said you did, you would have seen that it said this is only for "feedback" (from a user to Apple) and is NOT tech support and that you will NOT get an answer there. If you want to get an answer, Apple has their Apple Support page for that. This is where you go for answers "back" from Apple. If you go to the right spot, you will get a response, you see ... :-) ...

http://www.apple.com/support/

http://www.apple.com/retail/geniusbar/

naf456 wrote:

To say that it's expected that any type software update should slow down a device is wrong. In fact, the opposite should be true : updates should make a device run faster. However It's common that it doesn't.

I didn't recall saying that recently, but I have said it several times before. In the past 25 or so years, I've never seen my computer systems and the more recent iOS systems where a major numbered upgrade did not slow down an existing piece of hardware. It's actually very explainable and inevitable. Once you get a particular piece of hardware, it - of course - doesn't ever change its power or capabilities. But, software always changes its power demands, memory demands and number of features. It always advances, while you're hardware is locked in to its current "version" as of the day you bought it.

And that's inevitable with the software to have increased power and memory demands, because of "competition". And that competition is driven ... also ... by the increased power and capabilities of "new hardware". You can "do more" now that you have more power in the newer machines. The reason why some of these capabilities in the software never made it in there, when your original hardware came out, is that it was "too much" for that initial hardware to handle nicely.

SO ... your hardware keeps "degrading" and degrading (not that it's any different from when you bought it) ... all due to the increase power demands from the software, and that being driven by the increased capabilities of the hardware (which is far beyond your original machines).

Therefore instead of it being "wrong" that it should slow down a device, it's ENTIRELY RIGHT that it should slow down a device.

Apple as a highly respected consumer electronic company should recognise good performance as a primal trait for their software.

The iPad 2 is considered a low powered device relative to the market today. Apple should, therefore propose the iPad 2 as obsolete or decide to support iOS8 to a usable standard. They did neither of these things. Instead they recommended the new update to us customers. Having good faith, I and many of the recipients updated to the new software, empowered by the expectation of a newer, faster, more stable system. What I and many of us got was a system that was clearly struggling to cope with demand - a system that was considered no longer fit for purpose.

Apple does recognize that good performane is a primal trait for their software. You'll find that their match of software to the hardware they are currently selling does have that performance. The thing that Apple or any other company does not do, is go back "retroactively" into the past and somehow revamp your hardware to meet up to today's standards for hardware. In fact, if they did that, the cost of going back and refitting your old hardware to today's standard would be prohibitive to do. It would cost more than the cost of the new device!

The iPad 2 was at the top of the heap when it came out. The fact that it is not at the top of the heap now is simply a statement to the fast movement of "technology" and not a problem with the original hardware. It would be the same thing as if someone argued against the sun coming up in the morning 24 hours later, saying that it really should be coming up 28 hours later, and that they don't like the "day" at 24 hours ... LOL ...

Now, I never said the iPad2 was obsolete, but I do recall saying that it is approaching its end of life. That's been obvious for a long while now. In fact, I wouldn't ever advise anyone buying one with the new iPads coming out soon. But, in spite of me saying that, I know there will always be people doing that (either buying them used from other people, or even in new condition). You just can't get around the advancement of technology.

Technology advances ... a fact ... and it advances fast and a company that doesn't keep up with that advance ... is going to be losing out to competitors. That's just the fact of the matter.

I believe many of us do not care for anything but good stability and performance. You repetitively suggested that the 'iPad 2 is slow so deal with it', I felt this was the wrong attitude towards fellow Apple customers and not a solution to the problem. The iPad 2 used to be the fastest, and most glorified system in the world once - the envy of everyone. Now running iOS8 it feels like a $100 tablet from Walmart. We just want that fast usable system again.

I don't ever recall saying that, but I have said the iPad 2 is reaching its end of life. I would advise that the best option for a user is to sell a device before it reaches its "end of life" and get a newer model. I say that just based on economics and convenience of usage, and it applies to any company that sells devices like this, not just Apple.

There's ONLY ONE WAY for a user to get the original experience of power and speed (again for any company, not just apple), and that is to buy a new device - period!

One concern of mine is the fact that any applied wallpaper from the photo's apps, has it's resolution decrease a noticeable amount. I have a wonderful 2048x2048 image of Elsa, from Frozen, that I want to use as my wallpaper. In iOS7 it looked okay, in iOS8 I notice it looks more blurry. Changing to an official Apple wallpaper, and it looks fine. I thought "Maybe it's due to poor image downsizing - fuzzy pixels and what not" so then found a 1024x768, applied it to find it was still noticeably low res in comparison to the rest of the UI, and the default image itself in the gallery, this is however my problem to deal with. (Well any problem of mine, is also a problem of Apple's).

That's something I haven't personally run into, with my iOS 8.0.2 version. I would have to run a few experiments, first.

The purpose of this post is to contribute to the noise : we need to make Apple realise tat there's a problem.

Actually that's not the stated purpose for this forum and is in violation of the "Terms of Use" for this forum, as specified by Apple. If you want to contribute feedback to Apple, it has set up an official place to do that ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/

Here's the Terms of Use for this forum ...

Apple Support Communities Use Agreement

Have you restored your iPad to "factory new" condition? Be sure to back up first.

Use iTunes to restore your iOS device to factory settings

This will put it in the condition that the iPad 2s are in TODAY as sold from the Apple Online Store. And those are able to run on iOS 8.0.2, per Apple.

This is a "user helping other users forum" and not Apple employees answering tech support here. Thus, I'm a user like everyone else and not an employee of Apple and neither do I sell them or work for a subsidiary or retail establishment.

The people who do delete posts here are those whose job is to ensure that people stay on track for helping users with solutions or explaining how things work here ... according to the Terms of Use for this forum. If your post is deleted, it might be because griping and complaining is not part of the Terms of Use here, but rather providing solutions to users is.

You can contact Apple to register your complaint, though ... at this link that Apple has provided ...

https://www.apple.com/feedback/