IPAD2 very slow after IOS 8 upgrade

I think I'd better wait for a newer version from which I really hope that this one will bring my iPad back to the state where it was with version 7.

So no copy and past issues, fast wifi and no other known issues which make me looking for alternative tablets. This is not the way I wish my iPad works.

It's misleading to claim 99% of users are doing ok. In terms of users, iOS8 has not yet exceeded iOS7 (or it's almost equal). Also, when quoting percentages, it would be great if you'd attribute them. My suspicion is that for iPad2 users who have *upgraded* to iOS8, the percentage having difficulties is somewhat higher than 1%.

Since I asked you to attribute, here's what I found after a quick search - only 47% of iOS users have upgraded to iOS8: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2788063/is-ios-8-nerds-people-are n-t-upgrading-apple-s-new-operating-don-t-care-says-developer.html

FWIW, I'm still on iOS6 with my iPad2. It still works great. I usually advise my clients: upgrade at your peril.

Apple has done a poor job with iOS8; in terms of preparation, implementation, communication, and bug fixes. It is what it is - as a long time Apple user (Mac+) it is disappointing to see the trend of the last few years.

They won't do it, but the suggestion of allowing downgrades to the previous iOS would serve end users well in debacles like this.

Apple's silence is deafening. IMHOYMMV

Best…H

Hank Linderman wrote:

It's misleading to claim 99% of users are doing ok. In terms of users, iOS8 has not yet exceeded iOS7 (or it's almost equal). Also, when quoting percentages, it would be great if you'd attribute them. My suspicion is that for iPad2 users who have *upgraded* to iOS8, the percentage having difficulties is somewhat higher than 1%.

I can give statistics backed by work orders from clients of my IT business. We have 317 tickets that are in our system since the release of iOS 8.0.0, related to iPads, 204 from different individuals, the remained from the same people - call backs if you will.

Without spending too much time breaking this into categories and trying to figure out what these iPads were (2, 3, Mini, Air, etc), I did manage to find how many were related to iOS 8 issues. All but 2. That's 315 people with various issues that required us to either spend time attempting to help them, or to send our rep to get their device and go to the Apple Store, etc.

How many of those 315 are "happy"? Zero. I don't have a single case where this update created a problem that was 100% solved by the geniuses.

What did solve some of them? We managed to help them get refurbished Apple iPads through Apple, Verizon and AT&T which had iOS 7 on them.

Yes, we were able to get most of the iPads back to 80% or some level of functionality, but in the opinion of every single customer - it could be better.

Then there are my own iPads. We have a large number of these devices in our family and in my business. Not a single iPad2, iPad3 or Mini is functioning fully. That's right.... Out of over 20 of these devices, the best of the bunch is still pitiful in comparison to the non updated iPads.

I don't believe anyone can say that "99% of users are doing ok". I don't believe they can say that even 50% are. What you CAN say is that 99% of the people are happy with 80% of the functional capability of what they had, or maybe you can say that 99% don't notice because they are not "power users".

I really wish that certain people here would accept that there are problems, and spend their time trying to help those who are experiencing the issues, instead of trying to convince the world that these issues don't exist. You are actually doing more harm than good.

Acknowledge the problems, assist with them, and let those who are "complaining and whining" continue to do so until they get a new iPad that works better with iOS 8x, abandon the platform or get their issues resolved.

Star Traveler, we can read so you don't have to use CAPITAL LETTERS.

Getting excited and treating people like they were idiots (the capital letters and your "LOL" in one of your responses for example) certainly does not comply with the terms of use in this forum and does not help. Likely, most users have already tried everything, including going to recovery mode and to reinstall from scratch. I did it myself, things improved slightly, but not all the issues have been resolved. I still experience delays on my iPad 3 that simply don't happen on my iPhone 5S (and that didn't occur with the most recent version of OS7). An interface that loses its reactivity is not a good user experience, even if the delay is just one second. Going back to OS 7 would resolve a lot, unfortunately there is no officially supported pathway.

Oh, one more thing, I would like to learn about the sources of your numbers (you know, the 99% and 1%). Otherwise I will have to guess that you just made them up. There are over 50 pages in this thread only, and much more elsewhere, and let me do another guess, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Besides, you wouldn't agree to undergo a medical intervention with a doubtful benefit, but a 1% risk of a serious complication that would seriously affect your quality of life, and you would be horrified if the medical community told you that you don't exist for them.

'Star Traveller' appears to be in the damage limitation game. Ironically, using an iPad 2 to reply to this is really difficult as it doesn't seem to accept delete and retype unless I select all and paste the sentwice I've just written!

Hello

Unfortunately I have realized (late) this rule of thumbs if you want your Apple Device does not become an old junk snail

1) make the update ONLY for the original release of the iOS instaled in your device when you buy it

2) before update to the new iOS release wait at least one month and ask your friends before

3) you MUST NOT update your Apple device is the hardware is older than 2 years with respect the iOS release.

Example:

Iphone4 : iOS 4.2.1 (2010).

- It is highly recomended you have updated all iOS4 update and you can update to iOS5 (2012) (but not the first release wait for the update Apple will release usually after some months)

- iOS6 (Sept 2012): DANGER: here you risk seriously to slow down your iPhone.

- iOS7: FORBIDDEN (my biggest mistake!).

Now let's see this rule on iPAD2

iPAD2 if you bought in the very beginning (2011) you can have iOS4 (iOS4.3 ) or iOS5. It is acceptable for iPAD2 to upgrade till iOS6. Dangerous iOS7. And now iOS8 (2014) is a suicide in my opinion

The problem is that if you have bought as me Macbook Air in 2012 it is acceptable to migrate to OSX Yosemite and you cannot use some new functions like iCloud Drive available only in iOS8.

But this is normal. If you give more priority to speed and performances than new features you should stay in this way.

Let me say this is the same philosophy for all PC hardware: never update with an OS released at the year N, if your hardware is older than year N-2.

Maxipeg wrote:

Star Traveler, we can read so you don't have to use CAPITAL LETTERS.

WELL ... I think I do ... simply because it's my STYLE ... :-)

Just think of it this way ... if i ever rob a bank and have a note to hand to the teller, they'll be able to profile me and know who it was ... LOL ...

Getting excited and treating people like they were idiots (the capital letters and your "LOL" in one of your responses for example) certainly does not comply with the terms of use in this forum and does not help.

There is a "Report Post" button for those posts that you don't think meet the "Terms of Use" here. I use it and many get deleted because of not following the Terms of Use, but I do so for the more eggregious and blatant of them. On other stuff, I just post and explain the Terms of Use.

Oh, one more thing, I would like to learn about the sources of your numbers (you know, the 99% and 1%). Otherwise I will have to guess that you just made them up. There are over 50 pages in this thread only, and much more elsewhere, and let me do another guess, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

You know the issue is barely a "blip on the radar" when you can't even find any significant number of news articles about the problem. I can't find any kind of "press coverage" about any kind of major problem with the installed user base for iOS 8. I've seen a spot article here and there ... but as far as a "real issue" is concerned and a large number of press articles shouting about the "big problem" ... there's NOTHING!

It's hard to gather statistics on NOTHING ... :-) ...

It's like I said above in another post ...

"The number of users who have problems with iOS 8 are so minimally small, they don't even "rate" a percentage of anything in the tech news. As far as the tech news is concerned, overall for the iOS community, these people don't even exist. It's difficult to get percentages from tech news articles when these users "don't even merit any news" ... :-) ..."

Besides, you wouldn't agree to undergo a medical intervention with a doubtful benefit, but a 1% risk of a serious complication that would seriously affect your quality of life, and you would be horrified if the medical community told you that you don't exist for them.

THAT must be the explanation for "Bend-gate" where NINE CUSTOMERS out of the 10 MILLION sold ... reported bending phones ... LOL ... Just look at the press coverage for THAT and compare it to the press coverage for any of the problems stated here .... remember it was NINE CUSTOMERS ... so that gives you an idea what just NINE will generate on the Internet.

Now ... once again ... how many news articles do you have, as compared to the NINE and those news articles?

JohnMHoyt wrote:

Pete, I went through our ticketing system and the majority of the 317 tickets were made during the release of 8.0.2, that seems to the be biggest number, with 122 tickets specifically mentioning "8.0.2".

That's nothing but "self-selection" and then reporting "that" selft-selection to be representative of the whole. What does it show ... it shows you are running a "hospital" (so to speak) for sick iPads ... LOL ...

People go to the hospital when they are sick. The percentage of sick people in the hosptial doesn't represent the percentage of sick people in the USA ... :-) ...

Here's what I said in another post, about the SIGNIFICANCE of these reports ...

Star Traveler wrote:

You know the issue is barely a "blip on the radar" when you can't even find any significant number of news articles about the problem. I can't find any kind of "press coverage" about any kind of major problem with the installed user base for iOS 8. I've seen a spot article here and there ... but as far as a "real issue" is concerned and a large number of press articles shouting about the "big problem" ... there's NOTHING!

It's hard to gather statistics on NOTHING ... :-) ...

It's like I said above in another post ...

"The number of users who have problems with iOS 8 are so minimally small, they don't even "rate" a percentage of anything in the tech news. As far as the tech news is concerned, overall for the iOS community, these people don't even exist. It's difficult to get percentages from tech news articles when these users "don't even merit any news" ... :-) ..."

[ ... ]

THAT must be the explanation for "Bend-gate" where NINE CUSTOMERS out of the 10 MILLION sold ... reported bending phones ... LOL ... Just look at the press coverage for THAT and compare it to the press coverage for any of the problems stated here .... remember it was NINE CUSTOMERS ... so that gives you an idea what just NINE will generate on the Internet.

Now ... once again ... how many news articles do you have, as compared to the NINE and those news articles?

taxipalm wrote:

I took the suggestion to set up my iPad 2 as new because it was lagging very badly after installing ios 8. Since having done that and reinstalling my apps it seems to be running much better.

That's EXCELLENT. It's always good to hear that someone comes here to ACTUALLY solve their problems, as opposed to griping!

AND ... I should let people know there are two ways to erasing and deleting stuff on your iPad and only ONE of the ways will get you a clean install. That's the way that uses the iTunes program to do the reset to facory default condition. Furthermore, you should not restore your backup that you have for all your data and the installed apps (which will reload themselves). To do the most troubleshooting on the issue, you should run it just like it was right off the factory floor, with none of your data or apps on there ... and from that see what any possible problems are.

Another thing that should be done by people who are having an especially troublesome time, is to eliminate any possibility of hardware failures, by having that specifically checked!

And then ... if you run into some issues at that level (of a reset to factory default, using the iTunes program) ... then you need to keep the iPad at that level, and open up a trouble ticket with Apple Support and go through all that they need to go through in order to get it taken care of. That way, when dealing with Apple Support, you can let them know that it's operating a "certain way" (whatever the problem is that you've identified) with none of your data or apps on there and has had a "clean system install" so that there are no other complicating issues. Then you keep with it, on that Ticket Number you've been issued by Apple Support and follow through with them until it's done and fixed.

matteos72 wrote:

Unfortunately I have realized (late) this rule of thumbs if you want your Apple Device does not become an old junk snail

That's perfectly fine for individuals to pick the way they want to handle their own iPads, and if you want to use that two-year rule, I would not try to dissuade you from doing that for yourself. HOWEVER, to tell others that unless they follow your two-year rule, then their iPads are going to become junk ... that's totally misleading at the best, and lying at the worst!

There are plenty of iPad 2 owners that have no problems at all with iOS 8.1 and a lot of other users on this forum who had initial problems and then were able to solve them and have nice running iPad 2 models right now.

The very small minority that remains with some major issues that they are dealing with, are going to have to keep at it and work towards their solution, either with Apple Support or on their own - whichever way they choose to do it.

The problem is that if you have bought as me Macbook Air in 2012 it is acceptable to migrate to OSX Yosemite and you cannot use some new functions like iCloud Drive available only in iOS8.

But this is normal. If you give more priority to speed and performances than new features you should stay in this way.

Let me say this is the same philosophy for all PC hardware: never update with an OS released at the year N, if your hardware is older than year N-2.

The general idea that a computer device that has lived through many major upgrades is going to reach its "end of life" is true. That's thanks to Moore's Law. But, the idea that you define it as "N-2" ... that is basically NOT TRUE "as a rule" ... but is perfectly fine as a "matter of personal choice".

It's actually quite helpful to me to have John's real world statistics - even though it's from a small pool it tells individual users what they'll be up against if they *upgrade* before the kinks are worked out. John's stats are revealing, so thanks for posting them.

This would also be interesting and informative - actual stats on:

Number of iPad2 users

Number of iPad2 users who upgraded to iOS8

% of these users who are experiencing troubles

I agree with the request for dumping the screaming caps. The styles I appreciate and value on forums are:

1. helpful

2. informed and accurate

3. brief

And above all, polite. YMMV

Best….H

I've just got back from my local authorised Apple shop and they have acknowledged the problem. They were aware of all the issues and said that Apple are working on a solution and suggested 8.1.1 will resolve many of the issues. My Mini was factory restored in the shop and it made not difference even on their wifi.

This is acceptable, as long as we are not wasting time trying to find a solution to a problem that many people on this forum fail to acknowledge exists.

1. Bad style. Makes you look arrogant.

2. Very bad style to report whatever you believe is not according to the terms of use. Let the Apple guys handle this.

3. The blip on the radar is reportedly being addressed by 8.1.1. So it must be slightly more than a blip on the radar.

4. Not sure what BendGate was about. Perhaps somebody not friendly to Apple who wanted a brand new iPhone 6 to get exactly that kind of bad press. But who wants to write about problems with machines that are 2-3 years old? That's the reason why there are no reports, and not because there are no problems.

These are my final comments on this matter. Good night. Period.

Maxipeg wrote:

3. The blip on the radar is reportedly being addressed by 8.1.1. So it must be slightly more than a blip on the radar.

Apple is to be commended for addressing even a "blip on the radar" ... and actually, I have always known Apple to do that anyway ... even the tiniest of problems, if it affects a few of their customers negatively and it's a glitch from the software. Apple is that good of a company, you see ... :-) ...

Thanks, that confirms that

1. there is an issue

2. that it can not be fully taken care of...

- not after resetting the device to factory settings

- not by an Apple Genius

therefore, in my opinion, the best advice would be to wait until 8.1.1. and stop wasting time and human resources with futile attempts to have the problem fixed.