Yosemite and Logic Pro X

Throwing in my experience with Yosemite/LPX 10.0.7 on a new (2013) Mac Pro. There's a couple of odd behaviors I've found in Logic. First, I can't find any place to call up an Environment window:

Try CMD + 8. If that works then...

The problem Im guessing is either you are using a LP9 key command set.. or non US one... (Check Key Command presets.... in menu bar) Select US and you should see the option in the Window menu...

and/or...

You haven't enabled all Advanced Features in Logic's Preferences Advanced tab. Once enabled you should see the Environment option reappear in the Window menu...

Also turning on Advanced features... should fix...

There's no way to re-assign a track:

and maybe the issue with changing screensets too...

Wow, now I just look bad... Thanks for monitoring the thread 🙂 - that seems to have fixed everything. Interestingly, I had brought in my own key commands, but the environment option was still not there. I guess I must have set that preference ages ago and forgotten about it, and it didn't survive the migration.

I'll try and post relevant issues as I come across them.

For example, I've noticed some weirdness with QL Spaces, which I think has to do with memory management (my template has 4 or 5 of them loaded). Often the plugin will just show up empty (i.e. nothing in the display window) and not functioning (i.e. will pass audio through, but no reverb). I'm also getting some of the old performance issues from Kontakt5/VEPro, but as I'm trying to get this machine to do the work of three older MacPros I suppose it's to be expected. If you have any tips for getting the most out of K5/VEP I'd love to hear. Been a long time since I had to deal with anything like this, as you can see I've forgotten most of this stuff.

Thanks again.

and it didn't survive the migration.

Yes, thats quite likely as Migration is one of those features, that I really never recommend using with Logic based systems.. More issues come from using MA than I care to count... so I always recommend starting from scratch and installing everything manually rather than transfer from another Mac.

If you have any tips for getting the most out of K5/VEP I'd love to hear.

Only that you should check your network.... and make sure nothing is running in the background that can overload your network.. Things like Dropbox... for example... Also check all network connected devices are indeed not dropping the Gigabit network speed down... as VEP5 relies on the efficiency of your network to work reliably... Any performance issues with VEP in the past, when using slave machines, has always come down to other intranet related problems, for me at least.

I have found a number of problems with Logic Pro X on OS X Yosemite, mainly to do with unresponsive menu items. For example, I get random Save failures. I save a file, re-open it again to find it has not saved the latest modifications. I often get no response from the Bounce command. I get the same random lack of interest from Logic when I try to open an audio file to add it into a project. Logic seemed to be reasonably stable under previous OS X versions but under Yosemite it seems to be grinding to a halt. I can't figure out what's going on.

MacBook Pro, OS X 10.10.1, Logic 10.0.7

Hi Nigel

Happy new year 🙂

Sure glad I went back to 10.9.5 when I did.

Still no sign of a Logic Pro 10.0.8, or 10.10.2.

I so want to use Yosemite but, as it is still apparently a show stopper with heavy Logic projects, I can't !

regards

Murray

Hi Murray,

Happy New Year to you too! 🙂

Running PB 10.10.2 and LPX 10.0.7 here on a testbed setup... and still the same issues of lack of performance, slow GUI and instability.... even on non Retina rigs.

So at this time, I don't recommend using Yosemite and LPX together.....

Stick with Mavericks for the time being at least.

Cheers..

Nigel

Thanks for the update report Nigel.

Very disapponting news to say the least.

regards

...I can't stop thinking about this situation.

The fact that a Pro program will not run properly on a current OS - when both are created by the same developer - is a VERY SAD sign of the times.

We can only hope that the situation will be remedied eventually.

In this context, the release of Logic X was a great surprise after much speculation as to whether it would ever see the light of day.

I hope that is a light at the end of the tunnel, rather than an oncoming train.

Rant over....

Murray Campbell wrote:

...I can't stop thinking about this situation.

The fact that a Pro program will not run properly on a current OS - when both are created by the same developer - is a VERY SAD sign of the times.

We can only hope that the situation will be remedied eventually.

In this context, the release of Logic X was a great surprise after much speculation as to whether it would ever see the light of day.

I hope that is a light at the end of the tunnel, rather than an oncoming train.

Rant over....

Murray,

Be grateful you have an older machine that can run one of the older operating systems, think of those purchasing new Macs that only run Yosemite or better, they are stuck with lousy, unstable performance. I have a friend (former client) who was determined to stick with Yosemite, he emailed me over the weekend and was throwing in the towel. Something happened do that he couldn't save the project, it looked like it was saving, no errors reported, but the project when opened didn't reflect that last changes made, even though it had the correct time/date stamp of his last save. That and instability plus somewhat reduced performance forced him back to a Mountain Lion clone that was working well.

good points Pancenter of course....but my "old" machine will not run forever.

More to the point, I will want to update in the not too distant future as with big projects I'm really maxing out the machine's performance now.

SAD still seems the most appropriate word to sum up issues trying to run Logic on Yosemite, having been Mac centric for so many years.

I started out with an LC more than 20 years ago, Classics, SCSI connections, veered off down the Umax clone path for a while, PowerLogic CPU upgrade cards....back to Mac....it has been a fantastic journey, which I hope can continue into the future.

Back to the music, cheers

The fact that a Pro program will not run properly on a current OS - when both are created by the same developer

Well.... Actually, they aren't and that's probably a pretty good chunk of the problem....

The apparent lack of communications and therefore, information exchange between the OS X Dev and Logic Dev teams, is all to obvious....

For what it's worth, I believe the cause of many of the issues is simply the reduction in time between releases of different OS X versions... This 'cycle' of a new OS every year, simply doesn't give anyone enough time to get all the bugs out and nor does it give time for Devs of other apps, to make sure their apps work and integrate well with all the changes made to OS X version.

...and this new policy of speed/quantity over quality.... is sad... without any shadow of doubt.

Good points Nigel 🙂

Hi Nigel

The suspense is killing me!

Are you able to offer any comment (yet) as to whether 10.1.0 fixes the issues we have discussed when run on Yosemite (on a mid 2011 iMac in particular) ?

regards

Murray

The suspense is killing me!

You and many other's I'm sure....

But...

It's way too early for me to say at the moment Murray

Currently Im testing 10.1 out under Mavericks as i know that was/is stable OS X / Logic combo....

This weekend Ill load her up under Yosemite on my testbed 2011 iMac and see if anything has improved...

But I'm sure others will also report in before then....

yes, yes, I was being totally unrealistic expecting a definitive answer at this point in time Nigel !! 😁

The excitement at seeing a Logic update overwhelmed me... I will take deep breaths and try to calm down.

cheers