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Mac mail inline attachments - Yosemite 10.10

Has anyone found a Yosemite work-around yet to send image attachments as file icons that show as icons to Windows users and not images?


Right clicking and "show as icon" works on the Mac but Windows users still get full images in the email body. I send lots of files for my work and this is really really annoying!! Many of my customers are not particularly PC literate and just cannot get the image out of the email.


Have always used Lokiware's Attachment Tamer, but in good old Mac "we don't care what our customers want to do, we will force them to do it our way" fashion, this has been disabled and Lokiware seem to be struggling to come up with an updated version.


Does this annoy anyone else, or is just me?


Nick Gates.

Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Nov 6, 2014 6:07 AM

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Posted on Nov 10, 2014 8:30 AM

No I have no idea. It annoys me so much. I'm a mac guy as much as the next guy, but this is a classic example of a "cool" feature messing with productivity. There are countless other examples. I use my mac to work, swiping between Windows 7 on Fusion just so I can use Excel, and my mac for everything else. I'm about to start using Outlook on Windows. Another thing I don't understand is why don't they just port Microsoft Office to Mac, keep it the same? Why does everyone dumb down and color their software for mac users.


Whatever, Apple stop listening a long time ago.

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Nov 10, 2014 8:30 AM in response to nickgates

No I have no idea. It annoys me so much. I'm a mac guy as much as the next guy, but this is a classic example of a "cool" feature messing with productivity. There are countless other examples. I use my mac to work, swiping between Windows 7 on Fusion just so I can use Excel, and my mac for everything else. I'm about to start using Outlook on Windows. Another thing I don't understand is why don't they just port Microsoft Office to Mac, keep it the same? Why does everyone dumb down and color their software for mac users.


Whatever, Apple stop listening a long time ago.

Feb 4, 2015 4:20 PM in response to PetteriKivimäki

PetteriKivimäki wrote:


Well the attachments do not show properly even in my Gmail - the images I send from Yosemite Mail appear small and without a name - so its not only the Outlook to blame.


Ridiculously; the image sent from iPhone Mail are O.K. and the SAME images from Yosemite is small and without a name!


Please Apple, buy Lokiware or something.

Why would you expect to see a name if you can see the image. The file is irrelevant to the content of the file.

In OS X, you can select the file size of the image, but again, it is up to the receiving email client to display it at whatever size is appropriate.

I just sent a Medium sized picture to my gmail account and it looks fine, nicely centered in the message.
Here is an example of a low-res image sent at actual size, as displayed in Gmail. What is wrong with it?

User uploaded file

Dec 22, 2014 10:13 AM in response to nickgates

I have a lot of customers who are on Outlook and have experienced this same issue for some time. When I send .jpeg or .png attachments to my customers using Outlook, what comes through is a tiny icon which they cannot download or view. Like many professional graphic designers I am a dedicated Mac user. This is a pretty big deal since a majority of the work I send is graphic files.


Before upgrading to Yosemite I was relying on Attachment Tamer to solve this issue like many of you. I didn't stop and think to check for compatibility for Attachment Tamer before upgrading which was my mistake, if I would of know it wasn't supported I wouldn't of upgraded.


I've spent some time on the phone with Apple Support and have been surprised that that the reps I've spoke with don't seem familiar with this issue. On my most recent call got escalated to a rep named Lois who was identified as a sr. support mail specialist. She acted like she never heard of this issue (which I find very hard to believe) and rather curtly informed me that it's a problem with Outlook. I got the distinct impression it's not a concern of Apple. Her only advice was to go to Apple's feedback page and provide feedback for the Mail app on this issue. After I got off the phone and went to this site there is a list of all the OS X Apps to provide feedback for EXCEPT Mail. My experience with Lois and Apple not even bothering to provide a feedback channel for their Mail App makes me conclude that for whatever strange reason they have no interest in developing Mail further into a serious business application that is compatible with the platform that a majority of business users are on.


After searching the feedback options I found that if I selected Mac OS X there is a category in one of the pull-down boxes for Mail. I would encourage anyone with this issue to do the same since apparently that's the only avenue for our slim hope of Apple ever acknowledging and addressing this issue with their email client. The URL for the feedback form is: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Dec 23, 2014 11:43 AM in response to rosedraws

I should add to my original posting. The only bit of advice that I the Sr. Apple Mail Support Specialist gave me was to use Outlook. I own two 27" iMacs, 27" apple display, MacBook Pro, MacBook, iPhone6, two iPhone 5's, iPad, Apple TV, and various iPods of my kids. My family buys a majority of our entertainment from iTunes. I've standardized on the Apple platform for both my personal and business life for a number of reasons one being I want to simply my life. If I'm going to start piecemealing my applications together then I'm going to start asking myself what benefit Apple is offering me and why should I pay twice the price to be their loyal customer.


The last thing I want to do is take a primary application like email and set it up on a different platform since it's part of the single system I use for my digital life. Is she really admitting that Apple Mail is not a legitimate business application for email or is she just wanting to get rid of me? Either way if a Senior person in their product support group is telling me this it's a big red flag for me as a customer.


As much as I don't want to, I just switched to Outlook I will start considering Samsung, Microsoft and HP for my next hardware, phone and software purchases.


To me, the most alarming part was the attitude of indifference and the distinct impression that her conversation with me was a major inconvenience to her. I'm hoping that her attitude does not reflect the corporate attitude at Apple or is at least confined to her product group.


I'm concerned though. Since the arrival of Yosemite there seems to be a fast downward spiral in terms of my user experience. The Yosemite upgrade trashed my high-end 1.5 year old iMac. I've yet to find one change in Yosemite that has added value for me (Yeah, I'm sure there's something but I can tell you that whatever it is, it's not worth the negative effects I've already experienced).


With all this said, I have to say in fairness that I've had many more good experiences with Apple over the years. I guess I've come to expect that and maybe I'm overreacting to the sudden string of bad experiences with Yosemite, Mail and Apple support. My hope is that Apple will show some respect to its loyal customers and work on addressing some of the issues that are cropping up. The technical issues themselves are an issue for sure, but the most disturbing thing to me is the attitude, indifference and unwillingness of the support group to own up to the fact that there is an issue and to make some sort of genuine (or even well faked) effort to show some genuine concern.


We, the many loyal long-term Apple customers, are stakeholders in Apple, even if we're not stockholders or employees. We've invested a lot of our money and time and made a commitment through our decisions to standardize with Apple and many of us have been evangelists for promoting Apple to friends and colleagues.


As already mentioned in a prior post, if you are experiencing this issue please do take the time to provide even brief feedback using the channel Apple has provided for feedback, the more people who speak up the more likely it will be for someone to take notice at Apple: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html


****


These types of emails and letters to CEO's can make a difference if enough are sent. I worked for a computer company for 10 years and remember a corporate meeting where an executive was addressing a large group with a handful of complaint letters from customers on a certain topic. There are a lot of factors but such letters and emails are most effective when they are passionate but concise and don't just vent (like I've done in some in my comments in this discussion forum).


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Dec 23, 2014 11:45 AM in response to douglasfromboise

I am SHOCKED that this issue has not been fixed in all this time

I too am slightly shocked but have a feeling that they just refuse to fix this issue. Apple were the first to do away with floppy drives & CD/DVD drives etc, they seem intent on forcing their vision of personal computing on the world at any cost. Okay, no one uses floppies today (stand to be corrected) but the CD drive is still really useful to many people and will be for a few more years - Apple think not (actually so do Adobe, but that's another story).

the more people who speak up the more likely it will be for someone to take notice at Apple: http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html


I will do this too. If nothing else it may trigger a response from someone.

There are a lot of factors but such letters and emails are most effective when they are passionate but concise and don't just vent (like I've done in some in my comments in this discussion forum).

I totally agree, but when one feels no one is listening, ranting and venting is all one can do!


All I ask for is the option turn off the crap! And if by some miracle someone at Apple reads this thread - how about a response? They're probably all to busy "bonding" in meeting rooms, patting each other on the back, comparing ridiculous job titles or coming up with some new meaningless buzz-word to impress their managers. Whoops - ranting again!!


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Oct 2, 2015 5:20 AM in response to casey451

Hi guys, slightly late to the party on this one, Only stumbled across it as I have had to swap to Mail after upgrading to El Capital while Microsoft sorts out Outlook, someone may have already got there on this but you can disable this in Terminal


To disable:

  • Quit Mail.
  • Open Terminal and enter the following command: defaults write com.apple.mail DisableInlineAttachmentViewing -bool yes
  • Open the Mail again


To re-enable:


Open Terminal and enter:

defaults write com.apple.mail DisableInlineAttachmentViewing -bool no


Hope this helps, Malcs!


WARNING: One thing to note on this, if you have any Images in your signatures it will disable those too!

Nov 10, 2014 5:04 PM in response to caña

Thanks Caña, I marked your reply as "the answer" because "Apple stopped listening a long time ago" is probably the actual answer!


They make great machines and their OS has always led the way but Apple have this awful arrogance of trying to force users to do things the "Apple" way. Yes, give people all of the funky stuff but also give others the option to turn that crap off! As you say there are countless examples


Nick

Nov 16, 2014 7:46 AM in response to nickgates

Absolutely maddening at this point. I'd love to know if these kinds of things ever come up in Apple developer meetings. Do they all just have a chuckle and say "oh screw those users"? Or do they not even see the problem?


This is a real issue that cripples their software for anyone with serious email needs. And it's been broken literally since the first version of OS X in 2001.


I'm still using Sparrow even though it's been out of development for quite some time. This functionality just seems so BASIC! 😢

Nov 17, 2014 8:24 AM in response to Eric Root

Just an update.


Although the file leaves Mail as a normal file attachment, Outlook still seems to be receiving the file as an embedded image.


Suppose I'll have to wait for Lokiware to issue an update. Or waste money buying Outlook for Mac! Grrrr!


Apple is obviously just interested in the consumer market and doesn't want business users. Even though so many people in the world now work from home with Mac's, we have been totally abandoned and are totally ignored. Does anyone at Apple read these threads - kind of doubt it.


Nick

Nov 17, 2014 8:36 AM in response to nickgates

I only need it for PDF files really. I send many and the ones that are 1 page open up and cloud the screen.


But you're right about the working Mac users. I actually love my Mac to work on, except another INSANE quirk (WHY DONT FOLDERS APPEAR AT THE TOP!!!!) but I digress...


Every time Tim Cook or Steve Jobs took the stage, they are always saying how they are "excited when mac market share gains 1%". I understand converting the world to Mac OS X isn't their priority, but maybe they should try and improve their share not to sell more macs, but to deliver services and features that are demanded by their users.


Windows is no comparison, but you have to hand it to them they give you options for everything. Why? Because they serve millions more people then Apple does.


Another thing that kills me is this new "colorless" "flat" design. I mean all my icons on most apps are B&W. So we invented color screens for what? The color icons helps differentiate between them. Now the sidebar in iTunes and Mail, and many others is just a blob of black and white.


Speaking of which I better get back to work...

Sigh....

Nov 17, 2014 8:37 AM in response to nickgates

Unfortunately, this terminal command fix doesn't do what I need it to, which is make attachments behave like "normal" attachments for the end user.


Mail.app is, amazingly, still a junky mess after all these years. Back to Sparrow. It's the only app I've used that just works.


Here's the list I've tried:

Outlook for Mac

Airmail

Postbox

Thunderbird

Mailplane

Mail Pilot

Inky

Unibox

Opera Mail

MailTab Pro

Mailbox (beta)


There are more that I can't remember. They're all broken in some form or fashion (for me).

Nov 17, 2014 8:55 AM in response to caña

Apple messed up big time back in the 90's and only came back because of the iPod and i-tunes. Looks as though they are going to blow it again.


The best example of their arrogance (or ignorance) was they way in which they destroyed Final Cut 7, which was without doubt the best video editing software on the market and which many others were based, with the upgraded I-Movie which they called Final Cut Pro X!! I know this in an old argument but it does prove they are only interested in the consumer market and that will be their downfall again.


Wake up Apple, see the light, remember that some of us aren't interested in the gimmicks and have a serious use for our machines - not just Farcebook and Twatter - AND FIX THAT MAIL ATTACHMENT ISSUE IN MAIL!!


PS. Totally agree regarding the folders at the top! Such a simple, obvious thing.

Nov 23, 2014 5:38 AM in response to Francy230

Right clicking and "show as icon" does show the file as an icon in the email that you are sending but that doesn't necessarily mean that the recipient will see it as an icon and that unfortunately is the issue, particularly in Outlook on a PC, it still shows as an inline image.


The only thing that works properly is http://lokiware.info/Attachment-Tamer/Mavericks but they still haven't come up with an update for Yosemite.


Thanks for the reply, Nick

Mac mail inline attachments - Yosemite 10.10

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