Where are photo file names?

DRedfearn wrote:

I haven't seen anything that says how to create an service for all user account - which would be a handy option.

Services created when you choose the Service document type in Automator are saved in the Services folder in the user's Library folder (~/Library/Services). There does not seem to be an equivalent folder in the root level Library folder so I'm guessing there is no straightforward way to create an 'all accounts' one. There probably would be permissions issues to work out as well.

It's a mid 2011 27 " iMac Intel Core i7 with 8 GB of RAM with an SSD boot drive. I don't pay close attention to the time as I was posting to other topics as the time but it wasn't more than a couple of minutes I'm sure.

It looks like after running the script on the main copy of Photos, the titles don't show up on the other macs and iPhone and iPad being synchronized via iCloud. At least, it hasn't worked for me. (I ran the script for my main iMac - which synchronizes to another iMac, a MBA and to a iPhone 5s and an iPad Mini Retina. I have each of these devices set to conserve space.) Seems odd - Title is part of the metadata and should synchronize. The other metadata does show up.

David

To add to the confusion, file names of photos does not seem to follow the file through synchronization between Macs using iCloud Photo Library, but are changed outside of users control. Maybe Apple will fix this in the next version, but currently I experience that if I have imported a file to Photos named e.g. "2014_summervacation_1" from a folder, when it syncronizes to the other mac, the file there may be called IMGXXXX.jpg. How consistant is that? So a workaround would maybe be to store the filename in the metadata as you are discussing here. Can anyone confirm that this file renaming is automatically happening?

I just noticed this morning, that the filename2title script has stopped working. I get no error message, but nothing happens. I tried opening Automator and stepping through the script, and it completes with no errors, but the (one) image I had selected doesn't get a title. The only thing that has changed is that Photos has completed uploading my complete library to iCloud. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the titles changed by the script don't make it back to the other devices linked to iCloud Photos. The rest of the metadata is intact, but the title is blank again. Ugh.

David

My advice is to:

(1) Reboot your system and try again

and/or

(2) Open automator and try stepping through the script.

I got the same error the first couple of times I tried to run the script, but rebooting and stepping through the script seem to fix whatever problem was occurring.

The script is back working for me again after failing for a while.

I have pretty much decided to go back to Lightroom for all my photo organization and processing. I will only use Photos for my iPhone shots.

David

David;

Thanks. I rebooted but to no avail, so I logged in under my admin account and it works but only if run from Automator. Since this is my first attempt at scripting, maybe scripts only work from admin accounts. Also, the Service does not show up in Photos' menu system even though its visible in the \Library\Services folder. So I created a workflow app that works OK when run after selecting some photos. Fortunately Automator is reasonably self evident to use.

On a related topic, I tried deleting the newly created filename-as-title and tried the script again. Does not work. Its almost as if once a title is created and then deleted the script "sees" a title and won't overwrite it. Do you have any ideas as to a different script that would erase a previously created title ?

Thanks in advance .... Chris

There is something very strange going with with how OS X handles the service scripts. It took me two or three tries to get the script working (rebooting, stepping through the script, etc.). Then it stopped working (after my library had been completely uploaded to iCloud Photos). Then it started working again. I am not a script expert, so I have no idea of what is going on here. And, I have noted that the titles don't show up on my linked devices (a second iMac and a MBA - along with an iPhone 5s and an iPad Mini Retina). You could go back to the original author (leonie - who is very helpful) and ask, but I suspect the script treats a "blank" Title (which you get when you manually delete the Title text) as present - as distinct from an "absent" title. If the script thinks the Title is present, it won't update. This is only a guess, however.

I have gotten the script to work both in my own (administrator) account, and my wife's standard user account. This is on the same iMac. I had to create the script twice - once under my account and then again under my wife's account. So, I know it doesn't require an administrative account. There doesn't seem to be any way to create the service and make it available to all users on the same Mac.

I hope Apple clears up some of these details, but the articles I have read so far (the TidBITS FAQ by Joe Kissell is very good) leave some things a mystery - basically, the reviewers have to experiment with the software - and as we have seen, you don't get consistent results.

I have decided that Photos is not for me. I am going to migrate all my "real" photo organization and editing to Lightroom. I have used LR for several years, but split my usage between iPhoto and LR. Now, I think Photos is only good for my iPhone photos, and that is what I am going to do. It will save me some money too, as I purchased the 500GB iCloud package because of the size of my libraries.

David

David;

Thanks so much for this dialog. You confirmed what I suspected and that is, lots of experimentation is required. I will take a look at LR as I've got ~20K or so photos and iPhoto did the job nicely for me. Photos also does not support geotagging, but other 3rd party apps do. I might just keeping using iPhoto while preparing to exit to LR.

Cheers ... Chris

Hi,

I'd started with a script that included the extensions but then realised that I'd rather remove them. Possibly a little late in the day for you but this is my variation on the theme:

tell application "Photos"

activate

set updated to 0

set info to "Photos | Filename to Title"

set images to (get selection)

if images is {} then

display dialog "Please select items in Photos before calling this script." with titleinfobuttons {"OK"} giving up after 5

else

repeat with image in images

set title to the name of image

if not (exists (title)) or title = "" then

set revTitle to (reverse of (characters of the filename of image)) as string

set pos to offset of "." in revTitle

set prefix to (reverse of (characters (pos + 1) thru -1 of revTitle)) as string

set the name of image to prefix

set updated to updated + 1

else

set revTitle to (reverse of (characters of title)) as string

set pos to offset of "." in revTitle

set prefix to (reverse of (characters (pos + 1) thru -1 of revTitle)) as string

set postfix to (reverse of characters 1 thru (pos - 1) of revTitle) as string

if (offset of postfix in "jpg|mov|png") > 0 then -- Extend list as required

set the name of image to prefix

set updated to updated + 1

end if

end if

end repeat

if updated = 1 then

set message to " item was updated."

else

set message to " items were updated."

end if

if updated = 0 then

set message to "No" & message

else

setmessageto(updated as string) & message

end if

display dialogmessagewith titleinfobuttons {"OK"}

end if

end tell

This will add the filename without the extension as an image title, or remove any extension currently included in the title. I haven't caught up with all of the discussions but it seems that Photos can sometimes bomb out when running the script on large numbers of items, and it may be more reliable when running the script with the contents of an Album rather than the global photos collection.

tt2

turingtest2 wrote:

I haven't caught up with all of the discussions but it seems that Photos can sometimes bomb out when running the script on large numbers of items, and it may be more reliable when running the script with the contents of an Album rather than the global photos collection.

That looks like a very useful, well thought out script!

I haven't tried it yet but as I noted somewhere in one of these discussions (& of course can't find now because the ASC search engine seems to be close to useless) it seems like sometimes Photos can't make changes in response to Apple Events very quickly & this causes random errors in Applescripts with repeat loops. A workaround for this that sometimes (but not always) works is to insert a brief delay in the repeat loop, like "delay 0.1" for a tenth of a second pause before beginning the next loop.

The downside is obvious: applying this to a large number of items can greatly extend the execution time but it still beats having to do everything manually or in small batches ... when it works.

I'd started with a script that included the extensions but then realised that I'd rather remove them. Possibly a little late in the day for you but this is my variation on the theme:

How about including a parameter? Sometimes the filename extensions are useful, so we can see at a glance if we are about to trash the high resolution raw or a jpeg thumbnail.

Is there a definitive list of the file types/extensions that Photos imports? As written the script will only remove the extensions .jpg, .mov, and .png from a title that has already been set, and it won't add any extensions to new titles it creates. It ought to be fairly easy to tweak things so that certain extensions are always added and others always removed, whether a title has already been set, or is being set for the first time from the filename, but I might as well make sure I know all of the correct extensions before I start. The user could edit the two parameters for included and excluded extensions.

tt2

The internal formats aren't an issue in this respect, just the filename extensions that are used. Do your RAW images have a .raw file extension, or do different camera makers use different extensions?

tt2

It would be easy enough to snip off the last four characters, but I want to make sure they are only removed if they match a known extension, so running the script repeatedly on the same selection won't have adverse effects.

The script I've posted will strip off .jpg, .mov, or .png already. For anything else expand the string of known file extensions as required, e.g. "jpg|mov|png" could become "jpeg|jpg|mov|png|tif|tiff" and any other extensions that you might want to remove. What extensions exist in your Photos library?

tt2