GPS data not available to apps after iOS 8.3 update

I Just thought that it might be time to point out that most of the Bluetooth GPS devices that no longer communicate with I devices were sold as MFI products and certified to operate with Apple devices running IOS.

NO need for a link. Bad elf state exactly what I said on their home page.

This is copied from Duals web site under their FAQ section

Does the iPod touch/iPad/iPhone have to be jail broken in order to work with the GPS Receiver? No, the GPS Receiver has been certified to work with iPod touch, iPad and iPhone. - See more at: http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-lifestyle/outdoors/xgps150-for-golfing-geocachi ng-hiking-etc/#sthash.iVHVu5mc.dpuf

There products were designed to work with I devices and certified as such. They did not exploit any Apple software deficiency to work using versions of IOS before 8.3.

I have one of these devices and am waiting as patiently as I can for a solution.

i Hope it is soon in 8.4.

NNobody knows that our GPS receivers will work with IOS8.4 so I will buy a new one that works now. Happy looking forward to the. Ext IOS Update .............

to to find out that the new receiver /. The most expensive one is not compatible withe the. Ew firmware. Welcome to our wonderful new cyber / industry friendly world

"Does the iPod touch/iPad/iPhone have to be jail broken in order to work with the GPS Receiver?

No, the GPS Receiver has been certified to work with iPod touch, iPad and iPhone."

http://gps.dualav.com/explore-by-lifestyle/outdoors/xgps150-for-golfing-geocachi ng-hiking-etc/

Certified by whom? Certified is a fancy word, but without knowing the details, it is rather meaningless. Anyway, it would be for a particular set of circumstance -- particular iDevice, particular version of ios and particular gps device with set firmware. Any changes such as upgrade of ios would void the certification.

Robert

It appears to me that a great many people viewing this topic have there heads firmly buried in the sand.

The suppliers of these Bluetooth GPS units in the main have worked with Apple to get the MFI certification and have apps on the App Store that work in conjunction with their products.

I have a Dual XGPS150 that was working perfectly well using various versions of IOS up until IOS 8.3.

i Note hat the app supplied by Dual is still able to see the data from the GPS via Bluetooth as it accesses it at a deeper level than other apps that use the daTa from the GPS.

It is also important to note that this problem does not affect I devices with the Lightning connector.

i Will await the release of IOS 8.4

Very disappointed in Apple lately.

Apple prided itself in making the iPad something people use in a broad variety of fields, flying/navigating has been even featured by Apple in their commercials. We're not talking about some hack that has been inadvertantly disabled, but offical third party equipment together with Apps from the App Store. Two months on, the problem has been acknowledged and fixed in iOS 8.4 beta, but no official hotfix or public release. What does Apple tell us with this? Better don't rely on us and the platform.

By the way, Yosemite broke something essential as normal pdf viewing in Preview (non-Retina displays). Unbelievable they didn't care to fix this yet.

kislingj wrote:

By the way, Yosemite broke something essential as normal pdf viewing in Preview (non-Retina displays). Unbelievable they didn't care to fix this yet.

What? I have seen no such thing. What exactly are you referring to and please provide a link to your source.

Thanks

Pete

No worries, I didn't intend to sound defiant or something. Good to know it's not broken for all - but still, it's unsatisfactory for me personally that something that used to work properly on my MBP (which is supposed to be compatible with Yosemite according to Apple) now doesn't, and is not being fixed.

Difficult to gauge how many people are affected. What makes you so sure it's a very rare complaint?

Sure it makes sense baecause we ALL KNOW that our external gagets work with IOS8.2

We do NOT KNOW that they will work with 8.4, 8.5, or whatever will come with great music. I KNOW that music is not going to make my GPS WORK. -:((

OK, understand that clam45.

I can afford to wait until the end of June and beyond if I have to because I have one iPad with Cell + WiFi and one WiFi only. And an iPhone backup.

After my new Sling LSA is delivered early July, the Garmin G3x Touch and one iPad may provide the redundancy that is so necessary.

I certainly couldn't give a tinkers cuss about a new music app.

I would go back to 8.2 if I could. Not sure why anyone experiencing this issue would NOT go back to 8.2, even if 8.4 comes out this week (and from the latest news reports it doesn't appear it will). I know my iPad-mini wifi was working perfectly fine under 8.2. And there's no guarantee Apple will fix this issue in the final public release of 8.4. So why wouldn't anyone who flies and is hobbled by this issue not want to revert back to 8.2? I've flown old-school style since this issue occurred and while I'm happy to report that I've sharpened my skills considerably flying VORs and via ground reference points, the bottom line is that these modern devices bring an element of safety to GA flying. Instead of tinkering with NAVCOMS and continually checking ground reference points, you actually spend more time flying the airplane and looking for hazards, e.g., other traffic. It's better for ATC as well since routes are flown with more precision. I've flown over PHX via the VFR transition corridor, which is in Class B, and when my BT device was working I could fly it with far more precision, which I'm sure ATC appreciated when there was other traffic in the area.

I use my iPad mini almost exclusively for flying. And while I'm not one of those who would say "I'll never use an Apple product again", I am seriously considering picking up a competitive Android device for my flying needs. At least with Android I can go back to previous versions or even tinker with the device to potentially fix any issues, whereas Apple strictly controls when I can revert and what I can or cannot do with the device. I love Apple products and that's all I use for my computing and personal device requirements, and I will stick with Apple for those requirements, but when it comes to flying this issue has blown a hole in my sense of security with regards to Apple and my flying requirements, and as such I will look to replace my iPad when the time comes with an Android device.

Well said.

Unfortunately we won't see the public release of 8.4 until June 30th. Disappointed Apple didn't care to release an 8.3.1 'hotfix' for this issue when it was known for so long. It's just not important enough for them. But it is very important for us niche users who have gotten used to the incredible comfort and safety enhancements aerial navigation apps such as Skydemon in combination with iPads have brought along. Yes, we should not exclusively rely on such solutions, an external GPS could always fail, there could be a service outage, the iPad could fail, etc. etc. Therefore a well prepared pilot will always be able to revert to backup devices respectively have his pilot log and charts ready. But it's one thing to be able to revert back to traditional navigation in flight because of necessity, and another to be 'updated' out of a highly efficient, safe and comfortable navigational method for about three months. So this does leave a sour taste and there's some loss of confidence in the platform.

Anyway, one never stops learning and next time there's an update I'll wait - 'if it aint broken don't fix it'. But Apple, if you break something that's important to (some of) your customers, you better do, and faster than you have demonstrated in this case. I'm reluctant to switch over to an Android tablet, but it's the first time I do consider this as an option.

Something I found on a pilot website, not sure if it works, but may bring back the external GPS functionality. Use at own risk: http://www.pprune.org/private-flying/560058-skydemon-malfunction-ipad-ios-8-3-ex ternal-gps.html

Not sure how to obtain 8.4 Beta. I signed up for the Beta program but I've yet to find a way to access the Beta app on Apple's website. Even after signing in as a Beta user the Apple site just takes you from one Apple-self-gloss page to another. I was able to find the Mac El Capitan Beta but I don't need to Beta test anything on my Mac, especially since I use it for work.

Although I won't be rushing to load new versions in future I am sorely tempted to make an exception with 8.4 if only for my iPad Mini that has no cell/gps.

All this pain could be avoided if Apple would simply allow users to (easily) go back to a previous version of iOS. This happens all the time in the Macintosh world.

In our organization, we keep a, "guinea pig" iPhone and iPad. We install the new iOS on those devices and test all the important apps. We then search the Internet and these discussion forums for issues important to us. Once an update has been out for 60 days, we will then update our iOS devices.