Bluetooth Interference - Apple Watch and iPhone 6

You can google BT problems on iOS 3.0 and find lots of complaints. There don't seem to be a lot more than any other previous versions. If it works in one model BMW and not in another that would place the problem with BMW, not with Apple.

Yeah except you obviously didn't read what I wrote. There are problems with dozens of auto manufacturers, like Mathew Carter above (to whose post I replied and which you obviously didn't read either) whose problem is with a Honda fit. Given the amount of time it takes you to respond, it's obvious that you are a paid Apple troll here to deny, deny, deny that Apple has any issues with it's products. You might want to troll someone else though. You won't win and you'll just draw more attention that Apple doesn't want.

Yes, if you don't have a cogent argument the best thing to do is start name calling, that alway makes you look like the winner. Or like a moron.

Yes, I understand that people have issues with various cars. And if you Google it people have issues with cars going back to iOS 3.0. In some cases it was all cars and an update was issued. This is rare. In most other cases it was a combination of issues between the device, the car, other devices, interference, etc. If there was a system wide bug with BT on the iPhone 6 then it would NOT work with any cars period. There would be thousands upon thousands of posts here and articles in every newspaper that the iPhone 6 does not work with cars.

Apple adheres to all current BT standards as does the manufacturer of the chipset maker that they buy from (Apple doesn't make BT radios). If you and others have a problem it is best to send feedback or call AppleCare so they can work on the issue. If it was a system bug or they were not adhering to BT standards it would not work in the cars I have listed.

My argument is more than cogent, it's valid. But given you've failed to address them or the evidence, your critique's useless, invalid and totally unpersuasive.

Now onto your arguments: at their core they amount to A: "my car doesn't have the problem, so therefore no other car from the same manufacturer can have the problem either" and B: "previous versions of iOS have had BT issues (which you proclaim without any supporting empirical evidence were the fault of the auto manufacturers), so therefore it's the fault of auto manufacturer's that iOS 8 is now having bluetooth connectivity issues" -- both of which have numerous fundamental fails of basic logic which render them invalid. By the way, you might see if a Texas university near you offers a class in basic logic in order to strengthen your skills in basic argument. The latter is so flawed I could write many pages about your failures of basic logic and supporting evidence. But in the interest of brevity, I'll just rip the former to shreds: Your single error-free outcome with your particular equipment doesn't render invalid the countless problematic outcomes being reported with similar or different equipment. Similarly, if you had smoked cigarettes for decades without developing lymphoma, your single, particular cancer-free outcome doesn't render invalid the empirical causal connection between cigarette smoking and the lymphomas presented in hundreds of thousands of people who also smoked for years. That's why scientists use EMPIRICAL, PEER-REVIEWED evidence to draw conclusions and not "a single outcome of some self-proclaimed (from your profile) former cop turned slacker."

Contrary to your pathetic attempt at invoking the common defense of ad hominem attack, I actually didn't call you names at all. Actually I made an observation about your behavior (a behavior which is called trolling) -- and given that you trolled another user on this thread, and you're tolling me now, it's a correct observation supported by the evidence.

As for your statement "Apple adheres to all current BT standards as does the manufacturer of the chipset maker that they buy from" -- how can you make this statement authoritatively? Are you the Apple, Inc. programmer who programmed the BT software and firmware in iOS 8.x and Apple Watch OS 1.X? Are you the procurement officer who procured the BT hardware in the iPhones and Apple Watch raised in this thread? To which exact BT standards are you opining? All of them? To which versions of iOS are you opining? All of them? To which exact chipsets are you opining? All of them? To which exact chipset manufacturers are you opining? All of them? To which chipset firmware versions are you opining? All of them? Etc, etc, etc...

Recommendation: Go troll someone else, you are persuading nobody.

Bluetooth Interference - Apple Watch and iPhone 6

Watch dropping Bluetooth signal

https://www.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/34n52s/apple_watch_iphone_bluetooth_ interference/

http://www.tonymacx86.com/yosemite-desktop-support/163740-apple-watch-bluetooth- interference.html

Bluetooth On iPhone 6 keeps dropping connection to AppleWatch

Voice Quality Issues with in car bluetooth

http://www.macrumors.com/2014/10/01/ios-8-bluetooth-connectivity-issues/

http://www.imore.com/having-issues-bluetooth-connectivity-ios-8-try-these-steps- fix-it

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ios-8-how-fix-bluetooth-connectivity-issues-1469422

http://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2014/11/why-bluetooth-ios-8-8-1-iphone-6-6-issue s-persist-in-cars/

http://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2015/06/bluetooth-ios-8-3-iphone-5-6-issues-with -in-car-infotainment-systems-new-fix/

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/ios-8-wo es-continue-with-bluetooth-problems-1267…

http://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2015/01/will-ios-8-2-update-fix-bluetooth-proble ms-with-iphone-56-and-in-car-infotainmen…

http://www.automotiveitnews.org/articles/share/578563/

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_ios_8_found_to_cause_bluetooth_connectivity_issues -news-9817.php

http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/03/apples-ios-8-update-breaks-bluetooth-c ar-connections-fix-may-be-coming-with-io…

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/46362/20150415/apple-ios-8-3-glitch-causes-iss ues-with-bluetooth-gps-accessories.htm

http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2015/02/ios-8-8.1.3-iphone-owners-sing-blue tooth-blues-for-in-car-infotainment-issues-glitches.html

seminolefans wrote:

Contrary to your pathetic attempt at invoking the common defense of ad hominem attack, I actually didn't call you names at all. Actually I made an observation about your behavior (a behavior which is called trolling) -- and given that you trolled another user on this thread, and you're tolling me now, it's a correct observation supported by the evidence.

"Trolling" does not mean what you appear to think it does. It does not mean saying things that other people will disagree with or be offended by or not like. It means saying things solely for the purpose of annoying or angering people. Neither you nor anyone else in the world has the right to never be disagreed with, never be offended by something someone else says.

You also apparently failed to understand deggie's argument. He never said that, because the phone works with his car, it will work with all cars by that maker. That was your inference. We call that a "straw man". If you're going to try to refute his arguments, at least get them right.

No, you haven't done anything to my argument. YOUR argument is there is a bug in Apple's BT implementation on the iPhone 6. But if that were true it would affect EVERY iPhone 6. And if you can keep up I said I had used mine on a Acura (both an MDX and an RDX), a Ford F150 and a BMW X3. And since you last said I exhibited trollish behavior (wouldn't this be the same as calling me a troll...maybe not at FSU) I also tried it on my neighbors Honda Accord. Worked on it also.

I am not trolling here I am just pointing out there is no global bug that causes the iPhone 6 to properly work on BT or with the Apple Watch. What I have been saying is it is a much more complex issue involving a lot of variables and there is no magic bullet, or line of code, that anyone can make that will solve all issues. Which is why I encourage people to send Apple feedback with as much detail as possible, call AppleCare or make a Genius Bar appointment at their nearest Apple Store so more data points can be collected.

I would hardly call that trolling.

And yes in every BT device I have used or tested on my iPhone it has performed to specifications. If it didn't it wouldn't be just the iPhone 6 having problems.

But, speaking of that, you can also do a Google search and find all manner of different phones reporting Bluetooth issues as well as WiFi issues. And you said you were able to do a Google search but you can even just search the ASC and find BT and WiFi issues on past versions and models.

You wrote: "YOUR argument is there is a bug inApple's BT implementation on the iPhone 6. But if that were true it would affect EVERY iPhone 6." Again, just because there is a bug in the hardware, software or firmware does not mean every iPhone 6 user would see it manifest. To the contrary, many iPhone users don't pair their phones to their cars or other devices at all so they would not see it manifest ever. It would manifest for those iPhone 6 users who had their phones paired to hardware/software class of BT devices which required the lines of flawed code (say, for example, all iPhone 6 users who paired their phones with BT ver 2.0 devices) -- which explains the many pages of articles and forums I pasted at the end of my last post. Just because you happened to be paired with one version of BMW BT hardware/software which doesn't yield an error (for example your X3 could be using a more recent/updated or much older version of BT hardware and software than mine), this doesn't mean iOS BT code is bug free, it means the iOS code lines your setup is using aren't causing errors. Your setup may be using BT 3.0 entirely. Mine could be using a mix of BT 1.0, 4.0 and 3.0... There are many variables.

I would normally be inclined to say that it's the many other manufacturers code which is at fault, except well if many other BT device manufacturers products (cars, mice, keyboards, etc) are all having problems with Apple iPhones (I never limited it to iPhone 6s, as there are reports of iPhone 5s having the same issue) running iOS 8.x, then logic says there is an apparent common denominator in the equation (Apple). You may be correct that it's all coincidence, but it bears investigating by Apple. Nevertheless, just because yours is working fine does not mean there isn't a problem in Apple's code or hardware somewhere which manifests for many others. That dog just doesn't hunt.

Okay since you didn't read his reply, I'll just quote him: "If it works in one model BMW and not in another that would place the problem with BMW, not with Apple." Enough said.

She did read my reply and probably had no issue with it. If I use my iPhone and Watch with my X3 and it works then I try it with your X5 and it fails that would show the problem being your car not the iPhone. BT is backward compatible and will work with BT 2.0 (which was buggy in itself) and 2.1. But if the car manufacturer did not correctly implement BT then the newest iPhone would have trouble with it. Apple could write code in that case to work around the flawed BT implementation in that vehicle and every other vehicle but pretty soon you would be looking at some really bloated and ugly code.

If you read some of your own threads you posted they are repeats of another article that was a repeat of another article, etc. Quite often with these reports they trace back to one article that is then referenced by 30 other sites. Such is the nature of the internet. Your article regarding GPS devices only impacted certain models and there is an extensive thread here regarding that. It really had to do with a security block (the devices couldn't pass on location information and it was fixed in iOS 8.4 after Apple worked with users and the distributors. It was also an epic fail by the people who sell those devices.

This may be new to you but to Meg and myself we have seen this many, many times. For Apple to research these issues (and they are) they need information from users. They do not maintain a fleet of every vehicle out there with every version of their Handsfree equipment. Yes, it is not working on some cars but there can be thousands of reasons why. But for the most part it IS working on most cars. Apple has to be careful not to rush things and fix some cars but then turn around and break others.

Also, I left out the fact that I have also paired with a BMW 328 and 650 (charity drive for the Olympics). It worked. If your X5 was near I could try mine with your car. If it didn't work where would you surmise the issue is?

Are you saying your BMW system uses BT 1, 3 and 4 at the same time?

Don'y cherry pick evidence. In total the numerous links demonstrate a long standing myriad of BT connectivity in iOS 8.x with many kinds of devices, not just BMW cars. For example, this article (http://www.autoconnectedcar.com/2015/03/why-ios-8-2-doesnt-fix-all-bluetooth-iss ues-for-car-owners-more-carplay-coming/) mentions that iOS has had a well-known, long-standing BT problem and goes onto say "We have comments from readers that there are still [iOS] Bluetooth problems reported with BMW, Audi, Acura, MINI, GM(Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, Buick), Honda, Kia, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Mazda, Lexus, Fiat, Hyundai, Chrysler, Acura, Mazda and more."

So again, just because your BMW X3 works fine with your iPhone 6 and Apple Watch, doesn't mean that Apple didn't write a bug into the thousands of lines of code in their bluetooth application of the iPhone and Apple Watch. If iPhone users are having BT problems with "BMW, Audi, Acura, MINI, GM(Chevy, GMC, Cadillac, Buick), Honda, Kia, Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes-Benz, Mazda, Lexus, Fiat, Hyundai, Chrysler, Acura, Mazda and more" -- Apple should get spend more time talking to users who report problems and less time trolling them.

And as for reporting to Apple, of course I reported it to them via their web reporting form. And maybe they'll follow up on it (but as a current Apple beta tester, my experience says they won't). But from your incessant attempts to dismiss my (and others' reporting here in the forums which we all know Apple reads) it would appear Apple is paying you to troll the forums in a pathetic attempt to dismiss user reports. The problem is that you're attempting to place blame anywhere but on Apple, without any evidence upon which to make such claims. Therefore they are not persuasive.

As for you pairing your phone with my car, that's pretty laughable. But what would be great is if someone from Apple (not you, but a real no kidding iOS engineer) called me, and/or others who've tried to report these issues in the forums (before peeps like you earned a paycheck trying to dismiss our reports as baseless) to replicate/fix the issue. But it's pretty obvious that Apple has instead decided to "deny, deny, deny" these BT issues and try to shift blame on auto (and apparently other hardware device) manufacturers. It's a pretty common tactic by corporations more interested in boosting the next quarter's profit margin than on providing the best quality products to their customers. It's also what cost Microsoft its limitless profitability and dominant position in PC operating systems.

So let's stop with your personal car anecdotes and focus instead on the countless examples of other people having issues with IOS BT connectivity with MANY kinds of BT devices (cars, mice, keyboards, etc). Bottom line: Apple devices are not playing well with a myriad of them (unless you think everyone is just lying), and if it were just one or two devices, well that wouldn't indicate a problem at Apple's end, but problems with over 20 auto manufacturers (and numerous other device manufacturers) it's safe to say the APPLE IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR. This doesn't mean Apple products are not great, I own so many different kinds of Apple products because they are great. But just because Apple does a great job on their products does not mean they didn't make a mistake in their BT code, any more than the fact that your iPhone works great with your BMW or two other BMWs means that Apple didn't make a mistake in their BT code. Anecdotal evidence is simply not persuasive. Empirical evidence is, and while we are far from having an air tight empirical case that Apple made an error in their coding, the sheer number of complaints with Apple as the common denominator makes it worth Apple's time to investigate.

seminolefans wrote:

Okay since you didn't read his reply, I'll just quote him: "If it works in one model BMW and not in another that would place the problem with BMW, not with Apple."

Yes, you have quoted correctly. And, no, it still doesn't mean "my car doesn't have the problem, so therefore no other car from the same manufacturer can have the problem either".

I'm inclined to read deggie's posts rather closely as I generally learn something.

You don't have a lot of technical background do you?

You didn't answer my question about your combination of 1.0, 3.0, 4.0

But I'm just overwhelmed with the fact that you were a public beta tester. I am quite aware of the fact that there are articles about iPhone BT and a variety of cars. I'm also aware there is a wide range of implementation of BT in a variety of cars. I'm also aware people have problems. I went through an echo problem in my former car and iOS 3 and 4. It was finally fixed in iOS 5 and by doing an firmware update on my car.

Now do a search for Samsung and BT in cars. Then HTC and BT in cars. Keep going with searches on WiFi and various different types of equipment. Go back as far as you want. Search for interference. Connection problems. You will find them all.

Also remember that most of Apple's code is just calls to the BT chipset they use. And while you're at it do a search for Uconnect and BT. It has lots of problems going back a long way. Of course now it also has hacking problems.

Glad you contacted Apple and gave them your information. I'm sure you are not the only one who has done do and engineers may be putting a profile on someone else's iPhone.

And what makes you think Apple isn't investigating?

seminolefans wrote:

APPLE IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR.

BlueTooth itself is also a "common denominator".

Please don't shout.

You can definitely learn something from it -- it's just wrong. Let's break it down: "If it works in one model BMW and not in another that would place the problem with BMW, not with Apple". So if an iPhone 6 Bluetooth pairs with a 2015 BMW X3 with Bluetooth version 4.0 using a mix of CDT (from Taiwan) and TRC (from Japan) BT 4.0 chips, using firmware version 33.9 coded by XYZ corp in the Netherlands, but doesn't correctly pair with a 2008 BMW M3 using Bluetooth version 2.0 using all chips from UYT (from Germany) and version 3.11 of BT firmware coded by UYT engineers in Great Britain, it therefore follows that the problem is with BMW? Uh no. It does zero to prove that Apple's IOS or chipset firmware code for addressing BT 4.0 systems is 100% correct or that the iOS of firmware code for addressing BT 2.0 systems is 100% correct. The causes could be many! The iPhone could have been dropped and the BT chip is now malfunctioning. The BT chip on the iPhone could be poorly connected to the BT antenna in the iPhone during manufacturing in China. The lines of code for addressing BT 4.0 devices may be perfect while a singe variable in the lines of code addressing BT 2.0 devices could be bad. The iPhone motherboard could be slightly cracked and creating intermittent interference with the BT 2.0 signal. The possibilities are endless. What is NOT certain is that "If it works in one model BMW and not in another that would place the problem with BMW, not with Apple." This is just ludicrous.