El Capitan running slowly?

petermac87 wrote:

Vapresto wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Vapresto wrote:

Maybe your Mac was in fine fettle before you upgraded?

Isn't that as it should be?

Not necessarily... believe it or not, some people just want to USE computers and don't know or care how to keep them in 'fine fettle'.

And they would mostly be the users having issues. Being in the Car industry you should be well aware of the importance of keeping your car servicing up to date.

Cheers

Pete

..and THIS is the problem with IT professionals and computer geeks posting on 'user' forums...

99% of car owners have no clue how to service their cars - half of them probably don't even know how to check the oil! So, the manufacturers print out a handbook that tells them how often they should take it for servicing with someone who DOES know what to do. They then set up a network of service agents, train and employ tens of thousands of technicians, so that few drivers need to go more than about 10 miles, once a year, to keep their car maintained. The technicians can easily see if anything is 'different' to normal settings on all the software and hardware, and can put it back to manufacturer's specification immediately. Even then, many don't bother, some tinker at home, some only do stuff when it goes wrong, but guess what? most of the cars still struggle along anyway 🙂

Computers aren't like that: as soon as they are plugged in, by a new user, they straight away all have different 'engine management' software installed, so there is no set service schedule - there are no 'service stations' or manufacturer trained 'service technicians' as every computer and user is different, so a much higher level of diagnostic skill is required rather than just plugging in a diagnostic tool and changing the bits that throw up error codes.

The reason El Capitan complaints still seem to be in the minority is that the vast vast majority of computer 'users' rather than computer 'experts' don't post on these forums (partly because of the patronising and unhelpful comments posted by the 'Smart Alecs' showing off their knowledge). As a professional engineer, I am interested enough (and feel just about technically aware enough) to hold my own on here - or at least I did up until now... But the vast majority of ordinary computer 'users' will not post here, or anywhere else populated largely by IT experts, and so this will never show the true extent of the problems.

Posting here is a frustrating and humiliating waste of time and I am going to try to stay away from now on - just like every other forum I know it has become a competitive environment for IT experts to humiliate and patronise ordinary people looking for help and advice 😟

You don't give any usable information to receive help and support. You only wine and complain.

I tried to help. Of course you can also go to a Genius Bar of your nearest Apple shop. I find their help and support very good.

This is very true, although my experience with any OSX is that it is a very robust OS, completely independent of the hardware, far better than any Microsoft OS. For instance, on which platform is it possible to make a clone of your bootable disk and restart working with this working environment by booting from it on any other Mac?

Thanks to Thomsono1912 for the tip on removing Safari Extensions in OSX El Capitan - before I did that, it was sometimes taking 10-15 seconds for Safari to start up or open a new tab - now its instant, now that I've removed all the Extensions.

404 error with that link.

I'm finding everything severely lagging, still a few weeks after install. Used CleanMyMac to try and tidy things up, and have done everything else. Finder windows lag opening, apps run slower, opening a file using another app take a long time to "fetch". Scanning takes minutes to engage.
It's affected just about every program on my machine.

Early Mac Pro 266 with 12GB RAM. SSD drive for system. Used to be lightening fast with 10.6.8. Great workhorse machine.

Is the new OS not as compatible with this Mac?

It would take days of work to install fresh system and apps.

Never use CleanMyMac (any version) it is a malevolent utility which will not do what you expect, and will be very tricky to remove (damage caused by it won't be fixed by removing it either)

Erase it and reinstall an OS

Don't worry it's not just you Kurt, there are websites dedicated to this faulty operating system. Since it seems to be such a random problem, I can't help but believe it is their planned obsolescence. I have tried everything and mine continues to run poorly. Not to mention all the new quirks that have caused my productivity to suffer. Finder is just horrible now, it used to remember what folder I was in, window sizes, etc... now it is just random and "stupid" behaving. Mac used to be smart and things were quick. Using any of the Adobe programs is frustrating because of this window issue and finder issue. I've filed a complaint with them and they say it is something new Apple is doing.

I've lost my love for Apple.

Immediately after installation completes, indexing starts. This will cause the Mac to run slow until it is complete. Anywhere from minutes to hours will pass while you wait.

Kurts problems were caused by installing junk on his Mac. (and Adobe always blame someone else)

I do not agree. As I mentioned above I have installed El Capitan on my old Macbook Pro Mid 2009 and my computer runs now very fast en smoothly.

I'm running ElCap on various Macs from 2009 to 2012, it's fast and stable on any one of them

As I've said previously, I think this topic is more about what sort of Apple 'User' you are, rather than the age of your machine... The IT experts don't seem to have a problem, but those of us who bought a Mac because 'they just worked' (without us needing to have a clue how and why) are the ones who seem to be experiencing problems:

Unlike cars, EVERY Mac is different - there will be different hardware and software and different folder structures, options selected (or deselected), in millions of different configurations. I have to admit I do not have a clue about this - I don't have the time or inclination to learn how to avoid the dodgy software and what settings to use to optimise the software and hardware to use. All this used to be the beauty of Apple products - they just seemed to work, whatever you did, and usually warned you if you were about to do something stupid!

There are so many websites, forum posts and comments about El Capitan, there must be 'something' about it that is causing all these problems? I went through the pain of Mavericks wiping a WD Hard Drive and Yosemite glitches, but they were nothing compared to this: I have done ALL the things suggested and it is no better - I have over 30% of my HD free, memory usage (according to Activity Monitor) rarely exceeds 20%, but still EVERYTHING is slow and hangs - most times the cursor can't keep up with the keyboard and I see the spinning beachball of death more times than I don't.

OK, so I am whinging, but the people posting that their old Mac is just fine is infuriating and unhelpful: It suggests that it is US that is the problem, which is actually quite rude...

If you can't help those of us who ARE experiencing a problem (even though you don't believe us), please stop contributing to the thread and adding to our frustration - Thank you.

PS. I have read elsewhere that it was leaked by Apple that they are working on planned obsolescence, as people are not buying enough new Macs 😉 Sadly, I can't find the article again now - maybe it has been removed as I did the same Google search for it?

If you can find that article again please post it here, I would dearly love to see such an admission in print.

Vapresto wrote:

OK, so I am whinging, but the people posting that their old Mac is just fine is infuriating and unhelpful:

No more so than those who whine that El Cap destroyed their Macs without bothering to post a new Discussion requesting assistance from those willing to help. Which, by the way, you also failed to do. The last Discussion you authored was over two years ago, so it can only be assumed you are not interested in fixing what's wrong with yours.

Also by the way, all my old Macs are running El Cap just fine, with no problems among any of them. If I did had a problem though, I'd certainly post a question to this site. What I would not be doing whining on and on incessantly, though that seems to be a popular pastime.

Walther Schoonenberg wrote:

You don't give any usable information to receive help and support. You only wine and complain.

Exactly.

Well, I'm not an expert. I just installed El Capitan and did not do anything fancy in addition to running the default installation, which enrolled the OS without any problem. If you cannot solve your problem yourselves, you should bring your Apple to your nearest repair center or Genie Bar. It is obvously a hardware problem if you say you even experienced the problems after a clean install and before installing all your software.