iOS 10.1 Battery drain

Great, hopefully you will keep us posted after replacing your battery.

Just curious, do you work in a medical center with good cell signal?

I recently had a barely used BB Q10 replaced due to mysterious shutdown issues, could have been battery. I hope you do not compare brands across time. No smartphone today is similar to one designed 12 years ago and released 2-3 years later. Screens were tiny, power demands minimal, hardware potency very limited. Today, all top tier brands have similar reliability rates as they often share known manufacturers. So Company X will be making 200 million top tier NAND chips for top brands A B and C. Company Z would be sourced to make 150 million of the the same chips for A, B and C as X is unable to make more than 200 million. Companies W and V are asked to make 350 million management controllers for X and Z's battery production line. P Q and R are producing 350 million temperature sensors, other companies the 350 million charge state monitors, and someone else the insulating sheets and cathodes. Multiple manufacturers produce common parts. All these get delivered in time for X and Z to put together, and be shipped at the known smartphone assembly plants. A tiny error of 10 000/million could slip undetected.

All lower tier brands (BB) have more failure rates as they order lower grade components.

Same problem here - iPhone 6 dies with 36% battery as soon as it gets slightly chilled in temperatures well above freezing, anything below about 8C. Have all the latest software and had the phone checked at an Apple store - much use that was(nt.) Phone now two years old, problem began this time last winter when a year old. As well as being a safety issue, for an expensive and supposedly top line product this is unacceptable. So, Apple, please do something for you exasperated and long suffering customers as this is clearly not a software issue but a battery one.

I will submit feedback and what happened last winter is I used my phone with a navigation app for hiking and the **** phone would just die in my hand if i had it out of a pocket for more than a few minutes. Similarly if I was making a call longer than a few minutes, the phone simply died. I learned that if I put the phone under my armpit to warm it up for about 5 mins, I could restart it. Same this year, but worse as if I try to warm the phone it comes back on with about 1% battery.

Last winter was relatively warm, so probably the coldest was minus 2 or 3 centigrade, but the shut down happened much warmer than that, and this year the phone has been shutting down at up to plus 7 centigrade. I use the mains electricity charger to recharge, not a car charger

First off, do not feel bad. years ago I used replaced an iPhone 4 battery I used to run in colder temperatures.

Your answer is below at:

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_at_high_and_low_temperatures

Safe temperatures are 10-30 for Li Ion. Below 10 is the low end of the operating chart. Although cold discharge is not as bad as overheat charging, there is a cumulative effect, metallic Lithium plating killing anodes. So let's say you come back with a cold phone and charge it, you are charging a very cold phone (even at 2C) for several minutes before it warms up to room temperature.

The best and only way to use them is chest/skin close, with wired pods (wireless iPods are also battery operated and they will brick). Pull out the phone to press the button and back in. If it is at your core temperature.

Specialized equipment with Li Ion batteries has thermal blankets etc, but cold use equipment does not use Li Ion batteries. There is no battery-safe way to use, discharge or charge outside a Li Ion phone below 5C, no matter the conditions.

About the same here. I don't think our batteries are really being drained though. Today my phone went from a 95% charge to a 1% charge. I plugged it into a charger and within a minute I'm back at a 81% charge. What's going on apple? I'm about to go to android if your programmers can't get their act together!

I am thinking about the same. iPhone, iPad, iwatch.. i am fine with paying a high price for high quality, not talking about most advanced technology or newest features anymore (Apple lost that a while ago). But this is just ridiculous. From 100% to 10% in 3 hours, 2,5 of them in standby mode. Getting worse and worse here. It affects my work...

Apple, solve this issue, we don't care anymore how you do it - just do it!

About the same here. I don't think our batteries are really being drained though. Today my phone went from a 95% charge to a 1% charge. I plugged it into a charger and within a minute I'm back at a 81% charge.

I recommend reading the posts from members that experienced the same, had their battery replaced, and issue is gone. The last two, in the recent 3 pages, even used the same image- no more issue. So much for the iOS drain theory.

Just drain does not come with shutdown. Any power cutoff usually means hardware.

Battery replaced on December 25th.

So it's been 9 days.

I have to report that since replacing it I ...

-have had no fast drains whatsoever

-have had no shutdowns whatsoever

-have gone from 40% drain in the first 90 minutes of the morning to 10% or less

-have been able to go all day and still come home with about 70% battery remaining

I would wager to say replacing my battery has solved my phone issues.

Batteries Plus, $54, FTW.

Too all forum readers - a generic statement.

Mounting evidence from users whom replaced their battery points out to 100% resolution of the mysterious shutdown issue. As much as I sympathize with the sudden inconvenience of having to replace a battery, no words can express the strong discouragement I have towards 3d party fake-Apple batteries which flood the market out there.

- The may be 1/2 1/3 of the genuine OEM price but will not performs even close to the real hardware. No 3d party fake 'like Apple" or "OEM" dealer has access to the lowest price, which is Apple's 300 million units/year bulk.

- 3d party battery user reports include short life,overheating, inconsistent performance and, worse, iPhone fire

- Genuine OEM batteries come with special packages. An authorized retailer can show it to you (and you can always check with Apple).

- Part of his relationship with Apple, the authorized retailer sends your defective battery back to Apple. So that dead battery serves a final purpose, indexing and further evaluation to determine common denominator. That is how warranty recall cases are build. 3d party vendors, or users replacing their own batteries, do not.

Years ago I have myself done the 3d party battery thing. After discovering that the 3 year warrantied "better than Apple" batteries never lasted more than a few weeks, I found out that:

- They only lasted weeks to months at most

- I had to pay for return shipping

- I could not send them by plane (dangerous goods) and if I tried, own risk of non-delivery

- Recommenced the cycle with the replacement.

As for local vendors, such as in the town I am in, they are open as to showing their authorized status, and OEM parts packaging, replacement screens or battery.

Best Buy is another known Apple authorized battery replacement place.

Hi Belisarius, hold your horses.

The shutdown issues may have been resolved by the new batteries but the root cause has not been identified.

It all happened after IOS10 so it may well be that IOS 10 will drain even new batteries after a period of time causing shutdowns.

My opinion is that Apple will release a fix quietly before new batteries are affected thus avoiding any possible litigation.

Come on, be honest, why on earth would they release battery diagnostics on 10.2 so soon after we all started reporting these issues.

I know at least 5 people who handed their iPhone 6 phones in after IOS 10 because their battery was just draining before their very eyes.

Adrian.

I agree. My 6 plus had zero battery problems until the minute I updated to 10.1. After that I could watch the battery drain. But only after it got under 50% usually. It's erratic though. Some days it would perform pretty normal until I reached a certain battery percentage. And then I could see it drop from 40% to single digits within a few minutes. I've had it showing 30% and then just shut off. As soon as I plug in the charger the battery would show a 50% charge. The last one I went from a 91%charge to a 1% charge within 5 mins. Then it shut off. When I plugged in the charger it was at 91% as soon as it came back on.

Last night I tried a few things. I removed my Facebook app because it's been known to eat your battery. I also noticed an unusually high percentage of batter use from my music background usage. I was also using a Mophie case. After removing the Facebook app and disabling the online music function and using the phone outside the mophie case my phone is performing normally. Good batter life again all night and today so far. 5 hours of use. Music/phone/text and safari and I'm still at 88% as I type this. So the whole "replace your battery" theory is a bust. At least for me.

Hey Adrian,

If you are willing to assume, or take it as accepetd fact, that over , lets say, 450/500 million iphones out there with iOS 10 have no drain, it just automatically invalidates your hypothesis. Analytically it has to be universally applicable...

diagnostics- myself and many others (macworld, gizmodo arstechnica) have submitted feedback since iPhone 4 requesting a diagnostic tool. Repeated it when my new iPhone 5 battery died. And with the iPhone 5 battery isue forums this was a longtime wish.

Finally, right now are at the 26 month since the new 6 format was launched. Hundreds of millions of iPhones 6 have passed the 300 cycles. This is new as before the 4 and 5 iPhones had different screen sizes and battery cell, and demand. So call it a battery-life bubble happening now. All these hundreds of millions of batteries have peaked and new phenomena are happening as they did to you.

Also check out the scenarios i listed 4 pages ago. Some have drain but NO shutdown. all this to say it is absolute scientific nonsense madness to generalize an iOS drain as exicable to all malfunctioning iPhones with shutdowns. Then those that resolved it by replacing the battery WE KNOW it was not the iOS. It was proven absolutely as the replaemeny batteries no longer exhibit the behaviour. When you have other users posting back to admit it was not the iOS after all, you have no reason not to take them at absolute value.

Finally plse reread my prev post on resistance testing and limitations on battery health reporting.

Also beware of using high certainty statements, e.g. 'iOS 10 drains...' They fail any argument, scientific methodology and do not exist in any methodology. in critical thinking and analysis, from technical all the way to intelligence work, certainty statements never pass the rebutL stage.

HI Malanthius,

How did you disable the online music function? At the Apple Store the Genius rep said my battery is fine. I did a restore and I was back to the drainage. I did remove a lot of unused Apps and that helped quite a bit. I will not replace my battery since it is fine...the draining problem occurred when I upgraded to 10.1.1. Apple is aware of of this situation and hopefully an update will happen soon. Thanks for your help.

" I was also using a Mophie case. After removing the Facebook app and disabling the online music function and using the phone outside the mophie case my phone is performing normally. Good batter life again all night and today so far. 5 hours of use. Music/phone/text and safari and I'm still at 88% as I type this. So the whole "replace your battery" theory is a bust. At least for me."

Thank you for proving my argument and conclusions. By removing facebook and the mophie case you fundamentally- no 'Buts' or 'ifs' altered the power demand and charge/discharge demand on your battery. You altered the voltage in other words. Please refer tobasic battery university ampages explaining how apps=power demand=voltage.

Consequently high likelihood that your battery is defective since it cannot handle peak demand.

as othersalready admitted iOS may have simpky exposed the battery flaws and it failedthe iOS testing. A new battery even with facebook on will give you reasonable life.

Also please refer to BU pokemon go example of APPS KILLING BATTERIES.