Logic Pro 9 and High Sierra

Understandably there’s a lot of upset folks commenting on here so let’s get some facts straight and I hope to offer some tips that will help avoid future issues like this before they happen.

1. Upgrading an operating system is a choice and must be done so IF it makes sense in your situation. It’s the user’s responsibility to do research first before making a big leap.

2. Emails were sent out to legacy users of Final Cut Studio and Logic Studio back in August 2017 with a link to “About Apple Pro Apps and High Sierra” but before you say you didn’t receive it there were several tech websites that posted the upcoming changes:

https://m.imore.com/heads-these-apple-pro-apps-wont-work-high-sierra

https://m.dpreview.com/news/4303332787/rip-final-cut-pro-7-the-video-editor-won- t-work-at-all-on-macos-high-sierra

https://www.geniusdv.com/tutorials/end-of-final-cut-pro-7-with-high-sierra/

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/28/final-cut-pro-7-wont-launch-macos-high-sierr a/

3. With a Time Machine backup a user can easily revert back to a previous operating system and backup to continue using Logic Pro 9.

4. What software do you own besides Logic Pro 9 has lasted for 8 years through 7 operating systems? I can’t think of any. I know I got my money’s worth from Logic Studio and Logic Pro X is a worthy successor worth it’s low price tag of $200. Every update since it’a release in July 2013 has been free and that’s from version 10.0-10.4. 10.4 by the way has a ton of new awesome features: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203718

5. Lastly, before doing any update, if you didn’t get an email, read it on Apple’s website, or know for sure if it’s right for you to do, ask for clarity. Apple’s Pro Apps Support is available 7 days a week 866-752-7753, option 3.

Best of luck on whichever route you take!

"I bought Logic Pro 9. It is mine..."

Sorry no... you purchased a license to use Logic 9, (not own it).

Logic 9 was released in 2009, so it's ambitious to think it would be supported, (or even work) on High Sierra. There's plenty of threads of people having issues with Logic X with High Sierra, so I'm afraid the moral of the story is always do your research before a major OS update, (& also do a backup in case you need to revert).

$199.00 seems a fair price to "upgrade" (purchase) Logic X, (especially in comparison to other DAW's). As a Logic user since V4, I can tell you I've spent a fair bit more on upgrades over the years 😉

Like you, I have the DVD's for Logic 9 ( also 8, 7 and 6) and I agree with a lot of what you say.

I think your best bet is to roll back, using your backup, to the previous OS where all the things you want/need to work did work.

You could always go back to Sierra and stick with 9 until 11 comes out..... But many thought that would potentially happen in 2014 - and here they are - 4 years later. I am not advocating always being a first adopter ( as you have quickly determined for yourself) - but waiting too long also has its consequences.

Good Luck!

Rules For Apple Updates

1: Extensive homework needs to be done before any Apple "update" is even considered. Just mindlessly clicking a free update button is foolish and expensive. We have learned this from experience.

2: A "free update" will not be free. Apple is not a charity. You will pay to update third party software and additional Apple software, such as Logic Pro. You may need to buy new hardware as well.

3: Wait at least one year after release to upgrade, so that the to be expected bugs may be worked out, and so all of your expensive third party software can be trusted to operate properly within the new environment.

4: Apple will not go out of its way to inform you that by upgrading to their new "free" OS, you are about to make an expensive mistake that benefits them financially. Why would they? If they were concerned, they would do a quick analysis and warn you just as you are about to begin the upgrade procedure, about which apps on your system will suddenly become nonfunctional.

5: Again: Apple is not a charitable company. The business model does not involve giving you everything you need for free. They have coders, designers, and marketeers on the payroll.

6. Do a complete backup before any upgrade to ensure that you can easily downgrade after you discover how much of your valuable software is suddenly unusable.

These versions of Apple Pro Apps are compatible with macOS High Sierra:

Logic Pro X 10.3.1 or later

For more information visit https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207888

I just downgraded my MAC.

I do not need High Sierra

And: If You look at the changelog of Logic X You find... actually nothing!
Just some bugfixes.

And I agree: if the users just had be informed in advanxce they had had che choice to upgrade or not.

This is quite a bad policy.

Hi,

I feel your pain and frustration. Don't often make comments on forums or anywhere for that matter. I too am like you in that my house is Apple based. Made that decision years ago for one reason, all their stuff works well together and I don't have to be a PC whiz to make it work. Try to setup a netgear router sometime....I'd rather go back to using pen and paper. haha. Regardless here is my situation and I thought I'd share just to simply give you another perspective to think about, if you don't want it, no harm no foul.

I have a Mac tower G5 bought in or around 2010, mostly used for two things, my home studio and photo's. I chose the Logic platform and i like it a lot. I used Logic 9 for years. The G5 is was and has gotten old, but still runs great. As the new OS continued to come out I hesitated, for many reason I'm sure we share. Then I took the plunge with El Capitan even though everyone talked of gloom and doom about Logic 9 not working. I did it, it worked great. I upgraded so that I could continue getting security updates. I don't go in behind the scenes and try to modify how my Mac works like I am some programming guru. They designed it a certain way for a reason, most of us are better off staying out of the behind the scenes stuff in a PC. Too many people go on google, read and article, and then think they are a programmer. Makes me laugh!

For years I kept up with Logic X and how cool it looked and reading about it's issues and finally they got most of it worked out and I upgraded to Logic X. I have never looked back, it was well worth the money. If you have the 7 devices or whatever in your house and add up what you spent on all that hardware, $199 is nothing. Just saying. I'm not made of money either, but.... This machine I use is hooked to the internet, I'll get to that!

Current situation

Just updated to High Sierra. I don't put a lot of goofy stuff on my PC, so it typically runs without issue. Same true on this upgrade. Only thing that seems to not work is, Logic 9. After all the updating I saw the large circle with the slash through it and LOL. It happened. I should have read about it up front, but I doubt it would have changed my direction. Here is why. The internet.

I joked with my wife that some day this Mac tower would be diconnected from the internet forever. My guess is that High Sierra is my last OS update. I will just keep making music with the latest I have. The new tools are more than enough. You know as well as I that the music is about creating in your head, writing the songs, coming up with new melodies, and Logic X has more that enough to do that forever!

There are ways around all the concerns that pop up with being disconnected from the net. It's really not a big deal.

Hopefully my War and peace novel just simply gives you and maybe others something to think about. You don't have to be connected to the net to keep creating great music. There are plenty of ways to get it out there.

Man, have a great day and keep making music! That is what makes you happy and smile and probably others around you happy. The music really is all that matters! Just an opinion!

Very smart, I agree with you here. I run Snow Leopard for the awesome Disk Utility and my Legacy software, which includes Cubase 4. I run El Capitan although I hate its Disk Utility - Justus Beyer fixed this (Google his name). And I run Logic 10.3.3 on the Captain. Finally I have High Sierra for Logic 10.4 and for experimentation (courtesy of dosdude1 (Google his name too).

whether it's apple, microsoft or others.... in almost all cases software is licensed for use and a user purchases the license to use and does not own the actual software.... FWIW

Niall wrote:

"It is not my responsibility as a customer to spend time searching on the internet to see if any of the hundreds of programs I have on my computer may have become obsolete upon upgrading to the latest OS." - err... yes it is.

While I generally agree with this... all an individual has to do is come here and check or read the update memo for High Sierra. Mac OS has been outdistancing it's pro applications for some time. The problem is, Logic is now considered an App, and people have expectations for a $200 App. It's seen as very expensive, if you want an almost free compatible version of Logic that's going to stay current they should just use the latest Garageband, which can easily produce commercial grade music. (if you know what you're doing). The other problem is, almost all Apps are in fact compatible with High Sierra, to your average user Apple's $200 flagship audio application should work.

I'm just saying there's more than one way to look at this, especially if you're new to high-end software.

When I purchased and updated Logic (v2.5 - 5.5) it was owned by emagic. I paid at least $2,200 over several years, and was happy to do it.

I agree this stinks. I had 7,8 and 9 (that's a lot of money!) and was planning on skipping X as I was quite happy with 9. I was fully prepared to go for 11 once it was out.

Now I don't have a working copy of Logic and I'm forced to buy X which I had held off buying for ages. To make matters worse, if I buy X and XI comes out next week, I've spent £200 more for something I was waiting for for ages. At least reassure us X will be the current version for a reasonable time so we dont feel quite as sick when we download X!

Also, Sierra and High Sierra do not sound world apart. It sounded like a minor update but it's made a major difference (ie stopping the main piece of software I use!!!) I might have thought twice if it sounded like it was going to be a massive change.

I normally don't make commentary except from a technical perspective.. however,

keep in mind that cutting off one's nose to spite the face may not always be the best strategy.

Upgrading should be done with caution and in of course in a controlled manner. But doing so so late in the game will always yield frustrating results. If we were DOS users and now only decided to upgrade to windows 10 - think of the learning curve, frustration and productivity issues you would experience. Everyone complains about how bad upgrades are - yet I don't see anyone still using the telegraph and/or typewriters......

I have lived through 20 !!! upgrades into and of Logic pro X - some so different and amazing I couldn't believe the significance between releases. Each requiring a bit of a learning curve but each manageable - couldn't even imagine if I had to jump from 9 to X now - after 19 upgrades. And that's 19 free upgrades...

This is only my opinion and may not be shared by others - I can only state that I am very pleased to have upgraded from 9 and can do more now than I ever thought would have been possible.

This is a user forum, Apple won't see or hear you here. Call them directly or use Logic's Feedback to make your thoughts known.