Logic Pro 9 and High Sierra

Not to beat a dead horse... Apple relies on hardware sales to make money, their software is a perk, an incentive to purchase the hardware. Continuous MacOS updates do force hardware sales, there's no doubt about that, yep High Sierra will install on older machines.. but the performance is terrible. It's business, not a business I personally agree with, it's all about the stock and the shareholders and less about the users who lately seem to be only a source of money for Apple. I think a fairly sharp downturn in their stock will happen in the next couple of years unless some major innovation happens. Both my PC and Mac use older operating systems, I like the "feel" of the computer to be light and nimble. Win-7 is a very good OS for Audio as is Snow Leopard 10.6.8 & Logic 9.

I had this problem and I agree...Apple is just milking you.

Statements like "other DAW's are equally or more expensive" or "it's ambitious to think that Apple would support its older products" or "Do your research" or "Apple gives free updates for current software" etc...all of these statements are just making excuses for the terrible way that Apple conducts its business. When there is a major change like an OS upgrade that will make your purchased programs obsolete, it is Apple's responsibility to inform their customers of the change (which they didn't do with me).

Niall wrote:

"It is not my responsibility as a customer to spend time searching on the internet to see if any of the hundreds of programs I have on my computer may have become obsolete upon upgrading to the latest OS." - err... yes it is.

While I generally agree with this... all an individual has to do is come here and check or read the update memo for High Sierra. Mac OS has been outdistancing it's pro applications for some time. The problem is, Logic is now considered an App, and people have expectations for a $200 App. It's seen as very expensive, if you want an almost free compatible version of Logic that's going to stay current they should just use the latest Garageband, which can easily produce commercial grade music. (if you know what you're doing). The other problem is, almost all Apps are in fact compatible with High Sierra, to your average user Apple's $200 flagship audio application should work.

I'm just saying there's more than one way to look at this, especially if you're new to high-end software.

When I purchased and updated Logic (v2.5 - 5.5) it was owned by emagic. I paid at least $2,200 over several years, and was happy to do it.

I agree this stinks. I had 7,8 and 9 (that's a lot of money!) and was planning on skipping X as I was quite happy with 9. I was fully prepared to go for 11 once it was out.

Now I don't have a working copy of Logic and I'm forced to buy X which I had held off buying for ages. To make matters worse, if I buy X and XI comes out next week, I've spent £200 more for something I was waiting for for ages. At least reassure us X will be the current version for a reasonable time so we dont feel quite as sick when we download X!

Also, Sierra and High Sierra do not sound world apart. It sounded like a minor update but it's made a major difference (ie stopping the main piece of software I use!!!) I might have thought twice if it sounded like it was going to be a massive change.

I normally don't make commentary except from a technical perspective.. however,

keep in mind that cutting off one's nose to spite the face may not always be the best strategy.

Upgrading should be done with caution and in of course in a controlled manner. But doing so so late in the game will always yield frustrating results. If we were DOS users and now only decided to upgrade to windows 10 - think of the learning curve, frustration and productivity issues you would experience. Everyone complains about how bad upgrades are - yet I don't see anyone still using the telegraph and/or typewriters......

I have lived through 20 !!! upgrades into and of Logic pro X - some so different and amazing I couldn't believe the significance between releases. Each requiring a bit of a learning curve but each manageable - couldn't even imagine if I had to jump from 9 to X now - after 19 upgrades. And that's 19 free upgrades...

This is only my opinion and may not be shared by others - I can only state that I am very pleased to have upgraded from 9 and can do more now than I ever thought would have been possible.

This is a user forum, Apple won't see or hear you here. Call them directly or use Logic's Feedback to make your thoughts known.

I'm glad i upgraded to Logic Pro X when it was on offer back in the day, for £80 lol

Bite the bullet dude, X is much better anyway.

Actually their phone support doesn't cost hundreds of dollars and Apple's Pro Apps support is available 7 days a week, 8am to 8pm Central Time. 866-752-7753, option 3. Enjoy!

Don't be silly. It is not my responsibility as a customer to spend time searching on the internet to see if any of the hundreds of programs I have on my computer may have become obsolete upon upgrading to the latest OS. If a warning happened to be posted on some esoteric webpage, it just seems like laziness, stinginess and avoidance of responsibility on the part of Apple, especially since the place people download from (the App Store) had no such warning. It is a simple matter for companies to issue a warning when an action (like downloading the latest OS) is initiated that may ruin software that I have on my machine.

This is beside the point anyway. People pay a lot of money for programs like Logic, and if Apple had any wherewithal or respect for their customers, they would provide alternatives for customers...e.g., a patch that would enable Logic Pro 9 to work, or an opportunity to upgrade to Logic X for the difference in price between the two, etc.

I agree, Apple has lost sight of what made their products and the company great. I won't be upgrading to "I was Too High" Sierra and when I buy new DAW, it will be on a PC! Presently the lowest latency interface uses Thunderbolt and even though I have an i7 desktop with dual monitors, you can't buy a thunderbolt card for a Dell PC. They want you to buy a new $3k HP PC. This is total CRAP! All audio interfaces should use a network cable and put an end to the connectivity and platform war. Same old religious war on the Mac since the 80's. Back in the day, QuickTime did everything and it was free. No pro version just to save your file. I'm tired of Apple crap. The Mac is not intuitive or easier, it's just more expensive and their hardware becomes obsolete by design. I have a P4 in the garage running XP and I'll bet I could install Win 10 on it! 35 years and I still have to blow some corporation before I can write and record a song.

"It is not my responsibility as a customer to spend time searching on the internet to see if any of the hundreds of programs I have on my computer may have become obsolete upon upgrading to the latest OS." - err... yes it is.

It shows that Apple dont give a **** about The little people anymore

I have 1 Imac, 1 Macbook air.. 2 iPhone 6s, 1 iPhone 7, 1 iPhone 7 plus, 2 Apple tv and 2 iWatches..

This could easely be The last i buy if they dont fix all This ****..

Apple!! Dont **** with people

I paid $495 dollars for what you called a Logic Pro 9 license and I still have the CD/DVD so that makes it MINE. I can upgrade to Logic Pro X for $200 but I wanted to keep all the other software that runs with Logic Pro 9 (i.e. Soundtrack, Main Stage, etc.) and for Apple to remove all of them with the latest MacOS is not alright. To be fair, if this latest MacOS had broadcast a warning that they have removed support, then I am to blame. If I had seen that warning, then I would never have upgraded to the new MacOS, especially the fact that my MacBook is somewhat old now (2012). I would then buy a new Mac and then use Logic Pro X. It should have been my choice, not Apple's.

Well I do take onboard your point about not being an early adopter of XI but I thought I'd have 9 to fall back on.

Anyhow, I've bitten the bullet and bought LPX. I'll console myself with the belief that it's a very well developed and debugged piece of software!