Some characters not appearing in keyboard viewer

It looks like it is the layout which needs fixing. Could you email me a copy and I will have a look (tom at bluesky dot org)? Assume you use Ukelele?

Doesn't Apple's Hebrew qwerty already do this on the Option level?

please, help!

I've that problem still in Mac OS Sierra 10.13.2!

Arabic and Hebrew keyboard viewer show a series of "???" instead of the accents and Niqqud!

Any workaround, please?

For me is important to have them working as it was in Sierra!

Salvo

Salvatore Micciche' wrote:

But this will remove every other fonts (and I have about 200, that then I'll have to restore)...

My guess is that one of the fonts you may have installed in Home/Library/Fonts is interfering with the one normally used by Apple, so you will eventually need to deactivate it in any case.

You might also try a safe boot

macOS Sierra: Start up in safe mode

and setting up a new user account.

NoachAv wrote:

The layout works, it's just that the keyboard isn't displaying properly, now.

Understood. But I've made dozens of keyboards without having that problem, and there is nothing you can change about keyboard viewer anyway. So presumably something is amiss in the .keylayout file. Those question marks are not normal either. Email the flle. if you would like me to take a look.

NoachAv wrote:

No problems in my guest account

That would normally indicate something in Home/Library is causing the problem, often a bad .plist. But in this case my guess would be a 3rd party font. You could try removing half the fonts in Home/Library/Fonts temporarily to perhaps narrow down the possible culprit.

I noted that also in the Italian (English) virtual keyboard the symbol for Enter (Return) is a "?", perhaps it was used the "Last resort" font how if a font was missing... The symbol (↵) is ok in a fresh account in the same machine.

I controlled that every system font is ok and installed...

Salvo

Salvatore Micciche' wrote:

I controlled that every system font is ok and installed...

I don't think your problem could be missing or damaged Apple fonts. It's most likely some font you have installed which is botched and causing a conflict. Have you tried just temporarily removing them to your desktop and restarting to see if helps fix the problem? If it does, you can put half back in at a time to narrow down the possible culprit.

It a bit tricky, having many fonts... I'm using FontBook but also Fontexplorer X to manage them.

I'm using also Skyfonts, Microsoft and Adobe fonts by their apps...

I did as you wrote: restoring system fonts in FontBook, it removed from the Library about 10 fonts only, I deactivated them, but no change: ok in new user, not ok in my account.

The same also in another Mac, here: in Sierra there was no problem, after High Sierra I noted the problem, without change nothing else.

I'm trying other ways...

Salvatore Micciche' wrote:

I'm using FontBook but also Fontexplorer X to manage them.

That does make things complicated (and I have no experience with font managers other than font book). You might want to check out this page

http://www.jklstudios.com/misc/osxfonts.html

He recommends using only one font manager and tells how to remove Fontbook.

Salvatore Micciche' wrote:

What font uses the Keyboard Viewer in Mac OS X 10.13 High Sierra?

Go to Font Book and the Uncode Hebrew range and select a letter like ק. Then go to the Font Variation pane at bottom right and see which font is closest to what you see in Keyboard Viewer. I am on El Capitan at the moment and it looks like Arial or Arial Hebrew is the default. Your keyboard viewer may be using something other than the default, so you might need to check in the new user too what is being used.

thanks!

It looks like "Lucida Grande" or "Lucida sans Unicode", but I cannot try to disable "Lucida Grande" as it is in /System/Library/Fonts and the OS doesn't allow to me to deactivate in Font Book nor in Font Explorer...

In my High Sierra it definitely looks like Lucida Grande, and all the characters display correctly. I wonder if somewhere you may have another older version of this font which is more limited, or another more limited font which is being mistaken for Lucida Grande.

Doesn't that jklstudios link explain how to disable/remove fonts in system/library/fonts?

no, in that site I cannot find info to disable fonts in system/library/fonts.

me too, I think it's a problem with Lucida Grande and I'm searching for it...

I'm trying other things, I'll write here the results.

However the symbol for Enter in English or Italian keyboard in the new (functioning account) is definitely Helvetica Neue (↩︎). I think that for Hebrew it is used more than a font: Enter, accents and normal letters...

Anyway: Helvetica (and Helvetica Neue), Lucida Grande, Menlo and the other system fonts seems to be regularly installed in both accounts.

Tried also restart in safe mode: it doesn't help. always missed font (or better: substituted by "Last resort") for Enter in every keyboards, and no accents in Hebrew and Arabic keyboard.

Ok in standard new user (both normal and safe mode).

Switching to safe mode, the user fonts were reduced by an half but always with the issue.

Could it be some preferences? And which?