Cosmetic condition listed on Genius Bar Work Authorization

I wanted to check the status of my battery order, so went back to my "work authorization" e-mail from the Apple Store. I didn't see a way to check status, but I did notice this for the first time on the work order:


"Cosmetic Condition: Display has light wear, enclosure has some scratches and case debris, no sign of liquid damage."


My phone is actually in mint condition, without a mark on it. I have no idea why the person who helped me would have described it like this. Is this a generic condition description they put on by default, or do I need to take this up with them before I hand in the phone? I'd like to challenge them to find any flaw in its condition, but I don't want to have to go back to the end of the line to do it.


Has anyone else noticed this or had to deal with it? I assume they do this so that if something horrible happens to my phone, they can be justified in giving me a less than perfect refurbished unit, but I would hate to think they are deliberately misrepresenting the condition of my phone. So I guess I would feel a little better about them if this were a default condition description.


Thanks.

iPhone 6, iOS 9.1

Posted on Feb 2, 2018 12:28 PM

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Feb 27, 2018 8:43 AM in response to miked

Here is the pomised update.


I got the call that the battery was ready on 2/23. One month exactly. I got my battery replaced on 2/25.


When turning it in for service, I asked the representative to show me the damage indicated in the description. She was unable to see any damage, and said it was probably just a stock condition statement this other person used. I would have had her change it to be more accurate, but the store was crazy busy, and I was holding up the line, so I just handed it in. Her acknowledgement was good enough for me at the time.


It took almost exactly two hours to complete. They were very precise. They told me 2 hours. I checked at 1.5 hours and it wasn't ready, but was ready at the 2 hour mark.


As it turned out, they did scratch the glass on my phone. There are 3 marks on the glass now that I didn't notice before. All 3 are in the bottom right corner. Two are very light and it is possible they were there before. One (1/8" scratch on the bottom edge) is deep enough to feel, and I know for a fact it wasn't there before. When I complained in the Apple e-mail survey, I got a call from the Apple store manager. She was very nice, but DID throw the condition description back in my face. She said the tech wouldn't have written that if he had not seen damage, and they have to go by the condition that is written on work order form. She did offer to replace the screen, but that may have to do with a goodwill gesture than policy. I told her that I thought the marks, although annoying, do not justify replacing the screen. I'll have this phone for another year and half at most and its not worth the hassle.


I think the lesson here is make sure you agree with the condition statement before you sign the initial work order. Although the (imo) erroneous description did not hurt me in this instance, it certianly complicated the discussion.


As a final note, the new battery did fix the speed issues. The CPU DasherX consistently reports 1.4GHz now instead of numbers as low as 600MHz with the old battery. All in all, I'm glad I got it done. I just wish they hadn't scratched the phone.

Feb 2, 2018 12:43 PM in response to y_p_w

Thanks. I guess if its not normal to have the condition described like this, I need to take it up with them when I bring in the phone. It will be interesting to hear what they have to say. I don't think its a huge deal necessarily, but on the other hand, its a pretty detailed description to be so inacurate.


I was hoping someone would respond and say that their work order said the exact same thing. Then I'd know it was just a shortcut button they use.

Feb 2, 2018 1:06 PM in response to miked

I don't think there is any need to worry. From my experience, replacement iPhones will look just like new. And if you get your own iPhone back after the repair, it will be in the exact same cosmetic condition as before.


Apple puts this description in because if they didn't, someone might say "that small scratch wasn't there before, now I want you to replace the enclosure/display/whatever part".


Nevertheless, if your iPhone really looks like new and doesn't have any visible signs of wear on it (even it bright lighting), they shouldn't have described it that way. When I gave them my MacBook Pro for repair recently, they were checking it meticulously for any scratches or dents and couldn't believe there weren't any after over a year of use 😉 The description in what I believe is a free-text field read "No major scratches or damage". So they did leave a loophole by putting in the word "major".

Feb 2, 2018 1:57 PM in response to deggie

deggie wrote:


I've yet to see a phone that has been used for more than 30 days that doesn't have some scratches on the casing and signs of use on the screen.

Really?


Scratches even if the phone has been in a case since day 1?


And I realize anti-reflective coatings could be worn off the glass (although I'm not sure the iPhone6 even has any coatings), but if there really was visible screen wear after 30 days on every single phone, don't you think we would have heard about it? I certainly would have complained.


How are you seeing this damage, through a jeweler's loupe or an electron microscope?


I'll let you know what Apple says if/when I am contacted to bring it in.

Feb 2, 2018 2:03 PM in response to miked

Some cases will actually put the micro-abrasions on the phone by inserting it then removing it. Yes, the iPhone does have a coating and if you look closely at other peoples phones (you don't need a jewelers loupe but I do have one and have used it to look at a screen before) you can see signs of use. Unless the people have never touched it and actually used it.

Feb 2, 2018 2:10 PM in response to miked

miked wrote:


And I realize anti-reflective coatings could be worn off the glass (although I'm not sure the iPhone6 even has any coatings), but if there really was visible screen wear after 30 days on every single phone, don't you think we would have heard about it? I certainly would have complained.


An antireflective coating on a touchscreen would be a bad idea. However, I heard the iPad Pro may be the only Apple touchscreen that has one. I'm not sure what makes that one different.


However, no way would something like an iPhone that gets stashed in a pocket be able to survive all that rubbing with an antireflective coating.

Feb 2, 2018 2:31 PM in response to y_p_w

y_p_w wrote:


miked wrote:


And I realize anti-reflective coatings could be worn off the glass (although I'm not sure the iPhone6 even has any coatings), but if there really was visible screen wear after 30 days on every single phone, don't you think we would have heard about it? I certainly would have complained.


An antireflective coating on a touchscreen would be a bad idea. However, I heard the iPad Pro may be the only Apple touchscreen that has one. I'm not sure what makes that one different.


However, no way would something like an iPhone that gets stashed in a pocket be able to survive all that rubbing with an antireflective coating.


That makes sense. FYI, the iPad Air2 is also anti-reflective coated. I have an Air, Air2, and Pro 10.5, and the Air2/Pro coating is quite apparent. No noticeable wear issues yet on the Air2 (which is a year old). I just got the pro 10.5 when they went on sale for $499 to replace the Air (as it turned out, ios 11 was the "update of death" for the Air, but it had a good run). The anti-reflective coating actually makes the glass a little more difficult to clean. I can't just wipe it with a dry cloth like I can the Air or my phone. Spots seem to be a bit more stubborn on those screens (or a bit more visible maybe).


I'll respond on this thread on what Apple says about phone condition and how the new battery affects performance.

Feb 2, 2018 2:43 PM in response to miked

miked wrote:


y_p_w wrote:


miked wrote:


And I realize anti-reflective coatings could be worn off the glass (although I'm not sure the iPhone6 even has any coatings), but if there really was visible screen wear after 30 days on every single phone, don't you think we would have heard about it? I certainly would have complained.


An antireflective coating on a touchscreen would be a bad idea. However, I heard the iPad Pro may be the only Apple touchscreen that has one. I'm not sure what makes that one different.


However, no way would something like an iPhone that gets stashed in a pocket be able to survive all that rubbing with an antireflective coating.


That makes sense. FYI, the iPad Air2 is also anti-reflective coated. I have an Air, Air2, and Pro 10.5, and the Air2/Pro coating is quite apparent. No noticeable wear issues yet on the Air2 (which is a year old). I just got the pro 10.5 when they went on sale for $499 to replace the Air (as it turned out, ios 11 was the "update of death" for the Air, but it had a good run). The anti-reflective coating actually makes the glass a little more difficult to clean. I can't just wipe it with a dry cloth like I can the Air or my phone. Spots seem to be a bit more stubborn on those screens (or a bit more visible maybe).


I'll respond on this thread on what Apple says about phone condition and how the new battery affects performance.


I've dealt with so many antireflective coatings over the years. I remember a pair of eyeglass lenses that cost $50 extra for the antireflective coating, and they still started to noticeably peel off. I think opticians call that "crazing". I think it's getting better with more advanced materials, but most people put their phones in a pocket or purse.

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