Man shrugging emoji issue

Kurt Lang wrote:

Something's goofy.

Minion Pro (and every other normal text font) don't contain emoji characters. Some apps will automatically substitute the required Apple Color Emoji font, but some will not. Some apps may not correctly recognize the 200D character which is supposed to generate a glyph variant.

Man shrugging is by design created by adding various additional characters to the "shrug" character, which happens to be female.

https://emojipedia.org/man-shrugging/

https://emojipedia.org/shrug/

CountryGirl56 wrote:

Part of the problem seems to be this site.

Yes, there are a lot of characters which the (defective) software used for these Apple forums will not display correctly. To talk about various languages you have to use graphics instead of just typing it in.

It appears different apps see different things in the clipboard. I put "shrug" in as my search phrase and got this:

I highlighted the male emoji. Strangely, you cannot press Command+C to copy the highlighted emoji. So, I right clicked on it to Copy Character Info. I pasted it into TextEdit, Word 2016 and InDesign CC 2018. Got what I expected in TextEdit:

Got the expected result in Word:

InDesign gave a bit of a clue where the male symbol is coming from. It's seeing two glyphs being pasted in:

Everything pasted as the default font, Minion Pro. When I changed the pink highlighted text to Apple Color Emoji, then you see what InDesign thinks is on the clipboard:

And it doesn't even get that right. InDesign pastes the text information for the male shrug emoji, but pastes the female shrug emoji as the first character.

Something's goofy.

Minion Pro (and every other normal text font) don't contain emoji characters.

I know. I just meant InDesign paid no attention to what font information was supposed to be used and treated the incoming pasted data as plain text, which it always assigns Minion Pro to.

Man shrugging is by design created by adding various additional characters to the "shrug" character, which happens to be female.

Thanks, Tom. That completely explains why both came into InDesign, and why it saw the first glyph as female.

Kurt Lang wrote:

something had to be telling Word and TextEdit that the pasted glyph was Apple Color Emoji.

Normally not. Almost all apps will automatically substitute Apple Color Emoji for emoji codepoints when the default font does not cover them. The clipboard seems to just be holding the 4 codepoints required to display man shrugging.

Let apple know via

http://www.apple.com/feedback

pakastin wrote:

Yup, me too. Now try pasting it anywhere 😉

Does it really not work for you pasted into Apple apps like Notes, Mail, TextEdit, Pages?

pakastin wrote:

Sorry, I was trying web apps – I rarely use emojis in Apple apps (except messages).

Aha, then you should contact the people who make those apps instead of Apple. I assume Messages works OK?

CountryGirl56 wrote:

What I want to know is why it works on other sites.

They use software which is more capable in terms of character range. Apple's software choice is dictated mainly by the need to handle gigantic numbers of messages and connections.

Part of the problem seems to be this site. I logged into a different forum and…

Tom Gewecke wrote:

CountryGirl56 wrote:

It does seem to work in Apple apps.

I wonder what pakastin was referring to when he wrote "anywhere".

If I have to guess he meant anywhere but in Apple apps. 😎

Does copy/paste normally transmit font info? I thought it would be just codepoints.

That's what I would think, too. But something had to be telling Word and TextEdit that the pasted glyph was Apple Color Emoji.

If you use the OS's built in clipboard viewer, it shows you this:

Hard to say what it's doing to store the male shrug emoji.

CountryGirl56 wrote:

Why should the Apple Support Community work correctly. 😎

Yes, you would think they would be embarrassed that someone writing Hindi here, used by 300 million people or so, has to use pictures instead of his keyboard.

In the time I've been a forum member, this is the third software solution Apple has used. Each switch being forced by the need to handle the amount of data and number of concurrent connections.

Jive (the software used now) is one of the very few solutions available that can handle this type of load. The hosts didn't give us the entire background behind how they did it, but Apple is now handling all updates and changes to the forum software.

This is what I see in High Sierra 10.13.3 when typing "man shrugging" in the Character Viewer or the Emoji Viewer.