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Watch DVD movies on iMac - or TV?

I have been watching commercial DVD movies on my 2011, 21.5" iMac using the built in optical drive and Apple's DVD Player app.


When the movies are played at Actual Size they look too small. Obviously, to fill my 1920x1080 px. monitor requires the DVD movie to be upscaled, and some quality loss is expected. They don't look terrible, but I'm wondering if I might get a slightly better looking image some other way - either by optimizing viewing on the iMac, or switching to a small TV.


So my question is this:

Is there some inherent reason why a commercial DVD movie should look better (or worse) if viewed on a similar size TV screen at a simillar distance, compared to my iMac?


If I get a small TV, should I connect it to the iMac, or should I just get a basic DVD player for the TV?


If I get an "HD" TV (aren't they all?), the basic problem of lower resolution content viewed on a higher resolution screen still exists. Are some external DVD players going to do a better job of upscaling to fill the TV screen than what my iMac is capable of?


Finally, when using the DVD Player App on my iMac, I can either tell the DVD Player app to go to Full Screen at the monitor's native resolution (1920 x 1080) - or, using the Display Preferences, I can change the monitor resolution to 1280x720 first. Any reason why one method shoud be an advantage over the other?

iMac, OS X El Capitan (10.11.6), 21.5 inch; 2.5 GHz Intel Core i5

Posted on Feb 27, 2018 12:18 PM

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Posted on Mar 1, 2018 9:12 AM

If the DVD player has HDMI output, then it will do the upscaling.


I have a 55" HDTV connected to my Mac Pro and am very happy with the picture from DVD Player. Often don't notice that it is not HD. It depends on the DVD. I have Deinterlace set to "Optimal Quality" in its View menu.


I can also play DVDs with VLC.

http://www.videolan.org

It has "Deinterlace mode" and "Post processing" settings in its Video menu.


I can also play DVDs with Mac Blu-ray Player Pro. (The DVD drive died and I replaced it with a Blu-ray drive.)

https://macblurayplayer.com/macgo-mac-bluray-menu-player-pro.htm


They all look about the same to me, but there might be differences if the DVD is not high quality.

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Mar 1, 2018 9:12 AM in response to Gary Wright4

If the DVD player has HDMI output, then it will do the upscaling.


I have a 55" HDTV connected to my Mac Pro and am very happy with the picture from DVD Player. Often don't notice that it is not HD. It depends on the DVD. I have Deinterlace set to "Optimal Quality" in its View menu.


I can also play DVDs with VLC.

http://www.videolan.org

It has "Deinterlace mode" and "Post processing" settings in its Video menu.


I can also play DVDs with Mac Blu-ray Player Pro. (The DVD drive died and I replaced it with a Blu-ray drive.)

https://macblurayplayer.com/macgo-mac-bluray-menu-player-pro.htm


They all look about the same to me, but there might be differences if the DVD is not high quality.

Feb 27, 2018 1:24 PM in response to Gary Wright4

a pixel is a pixel a dvd will 720x480 resolution and when displayed on any screen with a higher pixel rate be upscaled

changing the resolution on a lcd display will not help you at all

a pixel is a pixel

if your amount of pixels are 720*480 it will be one to one

if your amount of pixels are 1440*960 it will be 4 to one

if your amount of pixels are not a modulus 2 of 720*480 it will have to estimate what each pixel display compared to the source that often cause blur


this will hold true for both your iMac and a tv

Feb 27, 2018 2:44 PM in response to Rudegar

Rudegar, Makes sense. I couldn't see any difference, but I don't really understand what's happening with the upscaling - whether it's done by the DVD Player app, or the graphics card, or the Mac OS, or ??


Does it matter which process does the upscaling - and are recent home-theater set-top DVD players any better at upscaling than my old iMac ?

Feb 27, 2018 3:15 PM in response to rkaufmann87

rkaufmann87, I am trying to figure out what advantage AppleTV hardware might add. If all I want to do is output the DVD playing in my iMac to a TV screen, wouldn't a Thunderbolt-to-HDMI adaptor and an HDMI cable to that at less cost and complexity ?


Or maybe even easier would be to get a stand-alone home-theater type DVD player for the TV, and forget about the iMac ?


Does anyone know if a stand-alone DVD player connected to a 22" TV will look better, worse, or about the same as a DVD movie playing on my 21.5" iMac?


This is for occasionally watching DVD movies in the back bedroom, while other family members are watching the ROKU / DVD / TV setup in the living room.

Feb 27, 2018 3:57 PM in response to Gary Wright4

Click the link I provided in my initial post and you will find the additional benefits an Apple TV has in addition to just watching a DVD. In your vision is limited to only watching a DVD then you're right you can simply connect a cable between your iMac and TV and off you go. However, if you are interested in experiencing more and removing all cables then you can have much better user experience. I like the idea of viewing photos on my tv, listening to my music on my home theater system (which includes my tv), the additional programming available, and all of it being wireless. Also, if you happen to enjoy gaming (I don't but you may like them) the Apple TV is designed for that too. In short the Apple TV has a LOT more capability than just watching a DVD.

Feb 27, 2018 9:19 PM in response to Gary Wright4

DVDs are better from a DVD player to a TV (than a computer) and, as already mentioned, once you make pixels larger ("upscaling"), they will get fuzzy and, at worst, the pic will be totally pixelated. So, if the DVDs are of a lower quality, then try to adjust them on the TV (mine has a "pic size" button which occasionally helps if we want to watch a very old movie).


I'd go with a TV and a player.

Feb 27, 2018 4:40 PM in response to Gary Wright4

Gary Wright4 wrote:


Does anyone know if a stand-alone DVD player connected to a 22" TV will look better, worse, or about the same as a DVD movie playing on my 21.5" iMac?

FWIW I doubt they would look much different with SD DVDs. What will look somewhat better is a smaller screen. The smaller the screen the less noticeable the picture degradation. 12" to 15" should be okay.

Feb 27, 2018 10:49 PM in response to Gary Wright4

DVDs are inherently standard definition 480p, and since you have a DVD drive built in to the computer I can understand how convenient that is, but you will always lack image quality compared to other streaming options on the iMac. The newer high-definition physical optical disc is BluRay. You can get new BluRay/DVD combo pack movies these days, but that does not help with your existing DVD collection. However, I have noticed in playing standard DVDs in my XBOX's BluRay player connected via HDMI to the 1080p TV set, the upsampling is a better quality than a conventional DVD set-top player to TV with the standard-definition RCA-connectors. Since BluRay players can play the standard DVDs you might consider one of those for the TV to be able to play the old library of DVDs and new BluRays you might buy in the future. I guess the point I would make is that if you are going to invest in a new HD TV, do not invest in a Standard Definition DVD player to go with it, get an HD BluRay disc player.


My 27" 2010 iMac is larger than my TV and has higher resolution 2560x1440. However, watching a DVD in my iMac in full screen does not look as good as playing the same DVD in the BluRay player via the XBOX HDMI to the 1080p TV at the same viewing distance. Streaming video in HD looks way better on either device, i.e. Netflix, etc, than DVDs, if you can find the titles you are interested in watching.

Mar 1, 2018 5:29 AM in response to Gary Wright4

Gary Wright4 wrote:

Finally, when using the DVD Player App on my iMac, I can either tell the DVD Player app to go to Full Screen at the monitor's native resolution (1920 x 1080) - or, using the Display Preferences, I can change the monitor resolution to 1280x720 first. Any reason why one method should be an advantage over the other?

Leave the display at native resolution and set DVD Player to full screen mode. The software upscaling will work better if it knows the actual screen resolution. HD TVs also do software upscaling, which may or may not be better than DVD Player's, but will probably look better because you are not so close to the screen.

Mar 1, 2018 6:06 AM in response to Gary Wright4

Thanks for all the helpful replies!


to rkaufmann87 and Glen Doggett,

I should have been more specific about what I want to do, which is to watch seasons Four and Five of Game of Thrones on DVDs which I already own. I realize BluRay and streaming provide better quality, but I don't want to pay for the content a second time. I do have a HDTV connected to both a ROKU (Netflix, Amazon, etc,) and a DVD player where we usually watch movies. But my wife is not interested in GoT - and she likes to watch a lot of content I don't care about. So I was looking for a "second screen" solution, which probably won't get much use after I've finished watching the GoT DVDs.


The common wisdom, both here and elsewhere, seems to be that DVDs look "better" on TV screens than they do when viewed on computers, but I was never able to discover any technical / hardware differences to explain why that should be true. I'm guessing any differences are perceptual, due to typically greater viewing distances when viewing movies on TVs. I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of a 22" HDTV and my 21.5" iMac viewed at the same resolution and distance - but not bad enough to spend the money.


So for now, I am going to finish watching the DVDs I already have on the iMac. And for Game of Thrones, Season 6, I'll get the BluRay or HD streaming.

Mar 1, 2018 7:20 AM in response to Malcolm J. Rayfield

Thanks!


But is it the *HDTV* that does the upscaling - or is upscaling done by the attached DVD player?


I recently bought a new DVD player, and information on the back of the boxes made me think that some DVD players offered upscaling while others do not (?) In fact, as I recall, I made some settings that specifically require the upscaling be done by my DVD player. So, if the DVD player does not upscale it first, only then will the TV do it, right?


The reason I ask is, if it's the TV, then I'm stuck with whatever quality it provides - but if it's the DVD player, then it may be possible to get better upscaling at lower cost by buying a better DVD player.


Now, back to the iMac. <This article> suggests that upscaling algorithms vary quite a bit, and they have improved over time. Which makes me wonder if there is some other sofware that can upscale movies better on my iMac than DVD Player, which was last updated by Apple in 2015. (We all know what Apple thinks about DVDs.)


Does anyone know if there is any software that can play DVDs on a Mac better than Apple's DVD Player app?

Watch DVD movies on iMac - or TV?

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