How to turn off two factor authentication?

lisle256 wrote:

Your message is important and well stated. This forum is mostly tech related. I agree there should be a place for these issues to be presented in a way in Apple could hear and possibly respond .

There IS a way to present the feedback to Apple. The feedback link has been provided repeatedly in the eighty pages of this thread. But, no, Apple will generally not respond.

The-wolf wrote:

As has been clearly stated on here by moderators many times I know you are not Apple but as the largest Apple forum instead of moaning about people posting complaints about 2FA and other issues how about using the forum to lobby Apple into listening and fixing at least some of the issues I’m sure I speak for many others that the advice to contact Apple is a known waste of time as the support agents only get the information that’s already available on the web site and are of no further use. Apple DO NOT have a complaints system in place so basically unless the forum is able to use its membership population then what’s it really for.

I am not "moaning" about people complaining here. I honestly don't care if you waste your time complaining in a place where it does no good. Apple has a feedback system in place for just this sort of thin. And, yes, things have been changed based on concerted feedback campaigns. But, I suspect that you can complain all you want about this and it won't change anything. Apple has very solid, legitimate reasons for requiring 2FA and they are unlikely to change that because a small number of people don't like it. 2FA works very well for most people. The vast majority of the people I've seen who have problems with it are people who don't understand it or don't have it set up correctly.

Rather than whining about how Apple isn't listening, that time would be better spent resolving whatever your actual problem is.

Apple DO NOT have a complaints system in place so basically unless the forum is able to use its membership population then what’s it really for.

That is NOT what these forums are for. They are for user to user technical questions and answers, not polls or complaints.

Here are the forum rules:

https://discussions.apple.com/terms

And, please note the last paragraph. Apple does remove posts or entire threads if they violate the rules.

These are not "independent" forums. The site and forums are owned and run by Apple. Therefore, they can make whatever rules they like. There are Apple employees (hosts/moderators) who run the forums and remove posts if they are notified or their filter picks up words that are in violation. These hosts run the forums; they do not provide technical answers because this is not Apple support. It is user to user support.

That is not a contradiction since these forums are a completely separate entity than the support departments; those are staffed by Apple support personnel. You can alsways use that - click on the link in the upper right corner to get started.

And, if you will actually read the ToU, you'd get an idea.

My comments were in relation to the statements earlier in this thread and today which clearly says Apple don’t read this

so my comment is if they don’t read it how then do they delete posts?

i may come across as anti Apple this is not the case I like millions of other users just want Apple to have better complaints procedures and better communication with its customer base not just scripted already available information.

i was even promised by Apple support that an engineer would call me but what I got was a support manager as usual very nice and polite but no practical use whatsoever

so instead of reminding me of the rules if you are truly run by Apple stand up and do something useful hopefully this will be an end to the bickering and let’s all get on and solve some problems rather than links to support or feedback

my comment is if they don’t read it how then do they delete posts?

To be clear.

Apple does not typically RESPOND here.

There are 2 Apple teams at play. On is in the background managing posts for compliance. They have been the ones removing your posts.

The others will respond to a submission that gets no other response from a volunteer.

No Apple response will answer the "why" question you repeatedly ask. They will not explain themselves and they will not provide individual technical support for an issue you are facing. They will not discuss Apple policy. Like "why can't we turn off 2FA"? They will not debate with with those who scream here with entitlement and indignance that they know what they are doing and "get your hands off MY phone".

Logic means nothing to you. Many have tried to position why your repeated posts here are futile.

You have every right to be angry, upset, disappointed and so on. You have every right to continue to reply anytime a new post has been made here. A "yeah" and a "me too" does not further anything.

You have been in contact with Apple support. That is far more than you can achieve here. It seems you have been given all of the consideration and help possible. You use multiple devices and you use them in areas of limited connectivity. you are able to get codes internally in these scenarios but that is not good enough for you. You have a solution and are still complaining. That clearly means you just wish to complain. You still have the right to complain. Not here, which is the point you refuse to accept.

You continue to conflate being helpful with reality.

Do you suggest every law enforcement professional in the world who doesn't cure drunk driving is not being helpful?

i may come across as anti Apple this is not the case

I believe you are and also anti logic.

Engineering does not interact with Users at all.

Why would you expect them to? They develop software, but it isn't their role to troubleshoot for customers directly. That is what tech support's role is - at least in a multi billion dollar company.

This not the place for it, but where is? That’s the problem. That leads to frustration and deep dissatisfaction.

None of this alters the purpose and mandate of this community.

This very "Spockian" response may not be popular or readily accepted, but it is the reality.

Apple provides a one way method for Feedback. That's all we got.

Feedback for Apple goes here >>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/ in case one doesn't want to visit any other page of this conversation.

On can write a letter. An old fashioned, retrograde, written on paper letter. Apple's corporate postal address (Google it) is found on their website. I have no idea if that will get a response.

I was responding to someone else’s post that seemed to have been given misinformation or misunderstood information offered. Nowhere in my post did I express that I even wanted to communicate with Engineering directly but I appreciate the effort it took to reply to me. It’s important to remember that you are not aware of what shoes someone may be standing in. This post has diverted a long way from 2FA. Who knows what kind of assistance that or any person might have needed at the time. I’m not seeing very many references to 2FA anymore. I think this post is done.

LACAllen wrote:

lisle256 wrote:

I always appreciate your responses.

Thanks. Not everyone does : (

sometimes we don’t want to listen to experience.We get set ideas regarding our own experiences. I learned a lot from your posts and our interactions.,Thank you.,

I just purchased an ipad pro 11 2020 and am having nothing but problems. This morning I did the ios update and it pushed me to 2 factor authentification and I DON'T WANT 2 FACTOR. I don't understand your statement above about 'enrollment' confirmation? I never received an enrollment confirmation. 2 factor went automatic after I did the ios update today. I am SO UPSET with Apple. I cannot get through to their tech supp and I lost almost 1000 files too.

I lost my cell phone so i came home to login into my I cloud so I can "find my iphone" well because i had a TWO-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION which went to my iphone , so how does the TWO-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION work for me if I can get the code because my phone is LOST !!!!!!. I did end up finding my phone which i was happy but now i need to get rid of this TWO-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION because it does not work when you have lost your iphone. Going to the icloud to change the TWO-FACTOR AUTHENTICATION to OFF is not an option WOW am so tired of these covid rules now this I dont have the option to change my own settings on my phone. What the **** is going on in the world

It would seem you had similar problems to myself and no help from support in regards 2FA they just refuse to give

out any information this has been my concern from the start of this discussion it’s not just the fact 2FA fails to perform properly for everyone but more the fact that all control is taken over by Apple when a lot of us got tricked into accepting it then no reminder to turn it off and final insult no way to turn it off and absolutely no help anywhere and no way to complain or escalate a problem

Yes, I have appreciated all the experts here, but sometimes SOME need to remember that they were learners at one time

Absolutely; but you also need to consider this:

there are more than 3 million users around the world using this; English is not the mother tongue for a lot of them, so there may be a problem right there. And, as an "oldtimer" volunteer, it becomes very difficult to keep responding with the same answer again and again when you have an 80+ page thread where it is obvious that no one seems to read any of our answers that were on pretty much every one of the 80 pages. As well, complaining about something to volunteers who can't do a thing about it is less than helpful. And that is why some of these threads simply become useless: they contain too much of off topic conversations, complaints, etc. There is no longer any technical question anyone can help with. The question was asked on page 1 and answered. Previous iterations of hosts/mods would simply close such a thread - you could still read it, but no longer reply. And, these types of posts (including this one) should not be conducted in a technical forum, but in the "Using Apple Communities" forum which is available for how to use these forums.

I will close with the fact that I just did exactly what you’re asking people not to do. My apologies to the forum. ....and thank you. I did get yelled at. Lol. Yes, please close this thread.

I am not asking for anything, I am showing that our hosts did. If one ignores the "rules" they are ignoring our host's rules, not mine.

I am not an Apple host, therefore I can't close the thread. I am a fellow volunteer. I donate my time here to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.