Very slow first iPhone and iPad photo sync over usb-a with Catalina

I updated to Catalina last night on my iMac. Today I've tried synching my iPhone Xr and my iPad Pro via USB/Finder (separately) to my iMac and the synch is very very slow. The iPhone never finished after a few hours and I'm trying my iPad now but I don't see any progress in the changes I had made to the photos (I deleted some before I synched, but the deleted ones still show on my iPad). I do have several thousand photos. Is the Photo Cache being rebuilt or something? Should I delete that and start again? Should I sync one photo folder at a time to start with? Is there anything else I should try? Previously I had posted issues with the latest iTunes in this thread:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250270137

and solved that by using an older version of iTunes. I would hate to think that Catalina will be as problematic as iTunes for synching photos was before. Any help/advice would be appreciated, thank you.

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Posted on Oct 8, 2019 12:14 PM

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Posted on Oct 21, 2019 7:03 PM

I finally got (most of) my photos loaded... I split them into folders of 500 photos or less and processed them one at a time: I left a small (10 images) folder always on, and I'd add a new 2nd folder and let to process (by leaving most folders off, it processed in "only" 10 minutes). If they loaded okay, I backed up iPod Photo Cache to another folder. If most loaded okay and only a few were black, I moved them to a bad images folder that I don't sync. I then unchecked the new folder (leaving just the sample one) and synced again (this would just take a few seconds to send the delete command to the iPad). If the photos did NOT load okay (lots of black images), I deleted iPod Photo cache and copied the last good backup back into the main images folder. I then rebooted the Mac and iPad (rebooting the MBP is required to get images working for a while again, I don't know about the iPad).


Once I got to my iPhone X photos (.HEIC files instead of .JPG files), I never had any black images. I could have possibly processed them all at once, but I stayed to the previous method (folders of about 500 images each). Once all the photos were processed, I checked sync All folders, which took about 3 tries to get them all copied over.


(All that being said, I haven't dared sync another device with a different screen resolution and start all over again. But also, this time I remembered to back up iPad Photo Cache. (Hint: Time Machine does not back it up.).)

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Oct 10, 2019 5:14 AM in response to Squiddz

The Photos app provides some in-built "containers", such as "My Albums" and "My Projects". I haven't used "My Projects" much so I won't say more about it. "My Albums" can contain any mix of albums and folders. A folder, too, can contain any mix of albums and folders. An album behaves as if it contains photos (I'll use the word photos to mean photos and/or movies), but it doesn't really contain them. What I mean by this is that a photo can appear in 0 albums or in 1 album or in multiple albums. For example, if I went on a walking holiday in Iceland with some friends, then I could make the photos from that holiday appear in albums called "Iceland" and "Walking" and "Friends & Family" and "Nature". An album can be a regular album or a smart album. To place some photos in a regular album, one drags them to that album. To place some photos in a smart album one creates a rule (or a set of rules) which cause those photos to appear in that smart album. Each album has a Key Photo, which "represents" that album visually. For event-based photos, I place up to four albums in a folder and then place that folder in a folder representing a year. For example:


Oct 10, 2019 6:22 AM in response to JPEWBDEN

Okay. I did a sync last night after having done the initial one the night before. This time it only took 4.5 hours even though it didn't have anything to do. I guess I'll spend my morning on the phone with apple if I can get through. It also didn't put my audible.com books on my iPhoneXS. I just spent an hour on chat with audible.com and I think they fixed the problem, I just don't have 4.5 hours to check it now. I'll sync again tonight to see if the books go on.

Oct 10, 2019 7:33 PM in response to W Stephen Wilson

Just to keep everyone up to date on what is happening with me/apple, I discovered something new today. It happened several times but I didn't understand what was happening. Now I think I do.


I used a small, 5K, set of photos to work with apple to figure out what was going on. Tonight when I wanted to put my 22K+ back on, I plugged the phone in, clicked on it in Finder, went to photos, and choose the folder with my photos in it.


What happened next is the surprise. Finder's CPU usage shot up to 100% and Finder froze for all other uses. It was still functioning, but it was clearly just too busy checking out my photos to bother with anything else. (For what it is worth, I had just rebooted.) Since I wanted my photos on and I am going to bed, I went ahead and synced (it wasn't so frozen it wouldn't let me do that). I know this will take 5 hours or so. I also see that Finder is still frozen and is running at 100% CPU. I hadn't noticed this the last two nights when I synced because I just synced and went to bed.


One more, but related, bad thing, to work with them on.


Steve

Oct 11, 2019 5:55 AM in response to JPEWBDEN

Scream! The continuing saga. 6 hours to put the photos back on over night, but what I feared happened. The reboot last night de-authorized my computer for using audible.com books, so the 6 hour sync took all my books off. Since the main use of my iPhoneXS is to listen to audible.com books, I had to get them back on. I managed to re-authorize my computer, but couldn't take 4 or 5 hours to sync to get the back on. So, I had to delete all 22K+ photos so I could do a quick sync to get them on. Okay, did that. Have my books back but no photos.


I should point out that Finder was still frozen this morning after the sync, but I didn't have to reboot, it was enough to force quit Finder. It comes back up functional. By the way, it doesn't say it isn't responding in the activity monitor, it just isn't responding.


One more issue. When the reboot de-authorizes the computer, I can't tell it. I can still play a book on the computer. They just won't sync. In principle, you can't play the book on the computer unless it is authorized. Since it wouldn't sync, the "solution" is to de-authorize it on my own and then try to play a book. Then the option of authorizing it comes up. Then I can sync. All a bloody nuisance.

Oct 14, 2019 6:48 PM in response to Squiddz

So, today I was able to sync all of my photos from my iMac to one of my iPads with Finder. First I deleted the photo cache, then rebuilt it (it took from 7am until 4pm). Then to sync to one of my iPads via USB took until just before 7pm.


Now I don't know if it will take this long to sync all of the photos to my iPhone or to another iPad. I also want to try adding or deleting just a few photos and try with the same iPad and see how long that takes, if it works.


This is with a library of over 25k photos, about 200GB.


Will report back with results from these experiments.

Oct 15, 2019 5:34 PM in response to George_S3

I deleted the file, toggled the "sync photos..." a couple of times (choosing "all folders" then "selected folders" etc. and then waited 9 hours for the cache to be rebuilt. The two arrows in Finder continued to chase each other. Then the iPad was wiped clean of synched photos and the pie chart appeared where the arrows were in Finder, and the photos started getting copied back on to the iPad.


I did some small changes today (deleted a few photos) in the off chance that I could sync quickly but hours later, still the two arrows and no changes.


I reached out to a journalist who writes about Apple and will report back if there's any information to share.

Oct 16, 2019 1:03 AM in response to George_S3

@George_S3: I deleted the iPod Sync cache in the hope that after that syncing would start “normally” again. That was not the case, the issue remains as described by many: only Albums which are directly under “My Albums” and even from there extremely large pictures are not synced either.


However, after that I found that file, I had not executed any particular script. So it must have been created by the Finder Sync process. One could suspect, that the message points to the fact that Finder will only work with “zsh” as the default shell (mine is still set to “bash”, I do not understand why the Catalina installation process did not set it to “zsh” if that is required for Catalina).


If you open the link to the support article, you are told how to change the standard shell to “zsh”. Given the warning message when you go there, I am hesitant to do so myself.


I spent some time in a support chat again yesterday. The person believed it is a system error and wanted to pass me on to the next level support by phone. I ran out of time so will make the call today.

Oct 16, 2019 1:40 PM in response to briccojc

No. To my knowledge, you cannot delete synched photos directly on the device, it has to be done through sync.


The photos are stored on my iMac, and synched to my devices from there. I've never seen a way to delete synched photos from the device, just from the original source (iMac).


The steps I outlined above are what I did.


I could be wrong, and if so, please let me know. 😀

Oct 16, 2019 2:04 PM in response to Squiddz

Definitely not solved! Hope someone can click a not solved button. Nice that I'm not alone in this.


As often mentioned, these problems started back in Feb/Mar sometime. I worked with senior level support at Apple for months, but my guy was away from time to time and so was I. With Catalina we can start fresh (although I still have my old case ID). They can't say "wait until Catalina fixes everything" anymore.


Anyway, I have a new senior level guy working with me now. On Monday we ran a sync with just 5,000 photos (only 15 minutes, it isn't linear, my 22,000 photos takes 6 hours.) (For the technical guys out there, the 5,000 photos had already been synced to the iPhone XS. In principle, the sync didn't have anything to do, but still took 15 minutes. Back in the good old days when Apple software worked, it could add 50 photos to the 22,000 in just a couple of minutes.) I had my photo folders on my iMac OS partition and the phone was plugged in directly. He ran a bunch of diagnostics and collected log files for when the sync was running. He has passed all that stuff on to the engineers. In the past, this has often led to "we didn't get the right log files and/or diagnostics." Hoping this gives them what they need to find the problem.


AppleCare is only good for 3 years, and this problem has already used up 7 months of my AppleCare. I think they should extend the AppleCare when this sort of thing happens.


I will post when I hear back from my senior support guy.

Oct 16, 2019 5:02 PM in response to Squiddz

Just to keep everyone updated, yesterday I updated my iPhone to iOS 13.1.3 via OTA as I was still having frequent Bluetooth disconnections in my car. With minor version updates it’s usually quite fast (like within 10mins max after it starts) but this took an unusually long time of approx 30mins!


Anyway, my point is that I got a shock when I went into my photos app approx 1hr after it restarted and found that all my synced albums have disappeared again!!! Most of the photos could still be found outside of the albums though. However, since I was out and about from morning till night yesterday, I had no choice but to leave it alone till I got home. Strangely, by mid afternoon, some of the photos in some of the albums started to appear. Unfortunately, it was still incomplete and a mess by the time I got home at night so I tried the following steps this time round:

  • uncheck synching of photos (this led finder in Catalina to prompt for either keeping or removal of synced photos in my phone which I confirmed)
  • recheck syncing of photos and try but this finished in a jiffy and so obviously didn’t work
  • redo step 1
  • remove the iPod cache folder
  • recheck syncing of photos


Some strange things are definitely going on here. I’m just dreading the next time my albums disappearing again at the next iOS update.

Oct 16, 2019 7:03 PM in response to yuppymike

yuppymike


So - this worked! I turned on iCloud Photo Library on my iPad, waited a few minutes for the photos to delete, made sure they were gone, and turned it off. Deleted the iPodPhotoCache on my iMac, toggled "all photos" on and off a couple of times, and in about 2 hours had my 30k (now I realize it's more than I had said before) photos all synched back to my iPad.


Still have not used the Photos app at all.


Question - will I have to delete the Cache for each i-device I want to sync? I know I can trial/error it but thought you might know.


THANK YOU yuppymike!!







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