Mail cannot save information about your mailboxes because there isn't enough space in your home folder

Mail will not open since Catalina upgrade. Receive this message and I have tried all the older solutions with previous Mail OS update issues. This message pops up when attempting to import mail messages. "Mail cannot save information about your mailboxes because there isn't enough space in your home folder". Same message when I attempted the index fix from past. What is the current fix for this?

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Posted on Oct 8, 2019 9:49 PM

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Posted on Jan 4, 2020 6:32 AM

Just a reminder / summary to all with this problem:


  • It is not a mail problem. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


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Jan 4, 2020 6:32 AM in response to b862

Just a reminder / summary to all with this problem:


  • It is not a mail problem. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


Oct 10, 2019 1:03 AM in response to b862

Hi All,


I was struggling with the same issue, and have been looking all over google/forums for the resolution.

I've signed up to help as it looks like (touch wood) I've finally found something that has worked and wanted to share.


Firstly, I went to System Preferences>Internet Accounts and disabled all Mail on the several accounts I have stored (I'm not sure if this assisted in any way).


I then followed step 3 from the following post:

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/138537/how-can-i-delete-my-mail-app-and-re-install-it


Once I had booted my Mail back up, I enabled all my mail accounts.


Let me know if this helps! My mail seems to be behaving itself since I followed these steps.


Cheers,

Charlie

Oct 10, 2019 1:05 AM in response to cllivesey

FYI: For reference, if the link dies for some reason, point 3 was:


Try to reset Mail settings. - which you will need to set up after following:

Quit Mail, then go to Finder and press ⇧⌘G and enter (or copy) the following:

~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Preferences

Look for "com.apple.mail.plist" and drag it the Desktop, then restart Mail.

Jan 22, 2020 7:39 PM in response to b862

My periodic refresher to all with this problem:


  • The response marked "Solution" is not the solution. Unfortunately it appears impossible for anyone to unmark it.
  • It is not a mail problem. You can't fix it by any fiddling with mail folders or settings. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.
  • Breaking your Fusion drive, which leaves you with a very small OS drive, does not appear to be a good idea.


Specifically these instructions have worked for everyone who has tried them, to the best of my knowledge:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


Cheers!

Feb 6, 2020 8:16 AM in response to b862

Fingers crossed,  I have not yet experienced the dreaded error message  "Mail cannot save information..." after repeatedly encountering this error message after various attempts to solve the problem.


My punch line solution was moving a large number of high volume video files that were recently created and managed in the past six months to an external SDD drive. 


What does moving large files from my fusion drive, not related to my mail app, have to do with this error message?  I cannot definitively answer that question.  However,  after receiving suggestions to reformat fusion drives and given my methodical nature of initially implementing small changes in an IT environment, I started looking at literature on the fusion drive before I, as stated perviously, perform a lobotomy on the fusion drive.  


Please excuse me if what follows is pedantic.  Apple’s fusion drive combines traditional hard disk and SSD storage in a drive that appears to the operating system as a single volume. Hard disks provide a lot of storage for a low cost per gigabyte, but they’re relatively slow. SSDs — solid-state drives — are much faster but can cost more per gigabyte. By fusing the hard disk and SSD into a single volume, a Fusion Drive provides a lot more storage than an SSD with far better performance than a hard disk. macOS achieves this performance by storing operating system files, commonly used apps, and your most frequently used data on the SSD. Adjusting data storage locations happens behind the scenes, so you don’t (and can’t) know what data is stored where — some files may even be stored in both places.


The Fusion Drive, introduced about nine years ago, relies on a fast SSD and a slow (5,400 rpm) HDD, and optimizes the SSD storage to hold the most frequently used data. This can allow fast boots and keep apps running quickly.  Which is great!


Drive manufacturers that offer hybrid drives often embed the SSD storage into the same package as the HDD. Apple, in contrast, puts an SSD on the computer motherboard separately from the HDD, and relies on macOS to integrate the two.   (Perhaps this is where comments arise about the error message cropping up with new iterations fo the OS.)  Files aren’t stored separately on the two drives, but rather macOS interleaves data so that it’s effectively like one big drive.


That’s great for performance and cost, but it’s highly problematic if your HDD fails or if your Mac bites the dust or you encounter performance problems with apps…. and if you have to be able to recover data from both the HDD and SSD, including removing both of them physically from a Mac in the case of device failure, to recover the data as a whole. Otherwise, it’s like trying to put  a multi piece puzzle together in which it’s not like 32 pieces are missing, but small parts of hundreds of pieces can’t be found.


I read somewhere that the 32 GB SSD in the current 1 TB Fusion Drive is actually an improvement because in 2015 Apple reduced the size of the SSD from 128 GB to 24 GB.  I have a 2013 27in iMAC with a 3.2 GHz quad core processor, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3with a 1.12 TB fusion drive.  I don't know how much of the drive is SSD put I am thinking it is 24 GB. I also don't know what mix of files (data, operating and applications) reside on the SSD.  I also don't know how the current macOS Catalina 10.15.3 manages the SSD in terms of placing 'frequently used files' on the SSD to improve performance. 


So, I thought, one initially minimally invasive approach to this problem would be to move large data files (video files) that I have used in the past year off of the fusion hard drive and onto a separate SSD drive. Once I moved the files, I deleted the initial copies off of the fusion drive. 


I have not encountered mail app error message since.  Is this fortuitous? I don't know.  But similar to many things with the MAC operating system and architecture, it is more of a challenge to tinker 'under the hood' than it is in a Windows or freeware operating systems.  

Feb 6, 2020 8:03 AM in response to efi-123

Fingers crossed, I have not yet experienced the dreaded error message "Mail cannot save information...".


My punch line solution was moving a large number of high volume video files that were recently created and managed in the past six months to an external SDD drive.


What does moving large files from my fusion drive, not related to my mail app, have to do with this error message? I cannot definitively answer that question. However, after receiving suggestions to reformat fusion drives and given my methodical nature of initially implementing small changes in an IT environment, I started looking at literature on the fusion drive before I, as stated perviously, perform a lobotomy on the fusion drive.


Please excuse me if what follows is pedantic. Apple’s fusion drive combines traditional hard disk and SSD storage in a drive that appears to the operating system as a single volume. Hard disks provide a lot of storage for a low cost per gigabyte, but they’re relatively slow. SSDs — solid-state drives — are much faster but can cost more per gigabyte. By fusing the hard disk and SSD into a single volume, a Fusion Drive provides a lot more storage than an SSD with far better performance than a hard disk. macOS achieves this performance by storing operating system files, commonly used apps, and your most frequently used data on the SSD. Adjusting data storage locations happens behind the scenes, so you don’t (and can’t) know what data is stored where — some files may even be stored in both places.


The Fusion Drive, introduced about nine years ago, relies on a fast SSD and a slow (5,400 rpm) HDD, and optimizes the SSD storage to hold the most frequently used data. This can allow fast boots and keep apps running quickly. Which is great!


Drive manufacturers that offer hybrid drives often embed the SSD storage into the same package as the HDD. Apple, in contrast, puts an SSD on the computer motherboard separately from the HDD, and relies on macOS to integrate the two. (Perhaps this is where comments arise about the error message cropping up with new iterations fo the OS.) Files aren’t stored separately on the two drives, but rather macOS interleaves data so that it’s effectively like one big drive.


That’s great for performance and cost, but it’s highly problematic if your HDD fails or if your Mac bites the dust or you encounter performance problems with apps…. and if you have to be able to recover data from both the HDD and SSD, including removing both of them physically from a Mac in the case of device failure, to recover the data as a whole. Otherwise, it’s like trying to put a multi piece puzzle together in which it’s not like 32 pieces are missing, but small parts of hundreds of pieces can’t be found.


I read somewhere that the 32 GB SSD in the current 1 TB Fusion Drive is actually an improvement because in 2015 Apple reduced the size of the SSD from 128 GB to 24 GB.  I have a 2013 27in iMAC with a 3.2 GHz quad core processor, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3with a 1.12 TB fusion drive. I don't know how much of the drive is SSD put I am thinking it is 24 GB. I also don't know what mix of files (data, operating and applications) reside on the SSD. I also don't know how the current macOS Catalina 10.15.3 manages the SSD in terms of placing 'frequently used files' on the SSD to improve performance.


So, I thought, one initially minimally invasive approach to this problem would be to move large data files (video files) that I have used in the past year off of the fusion hard drive and onto a separate SSD drive. Once I moved the files, I deleted the initial copies off of the fusion drive.


I have not encountered mail app error message since. Is this fortuitous? I don't know. But similar to many things with the MAC operating system and architecture, it is more of a challenge to tinker 'under the hood' than it is in a Windows or freeware operating systems.



Jan 4, 2020 7:29 AM in response to efi-123

Fair enough.


Interesting that two different approaches have fixed the problem. i.e.

  • Split into two drives and not used as fusion any more (yours)
  • Reset to original Apple fusion drive as one drive with caching (Re5i5tor)

the possible consequence of yours is that is the SSD part is small, and this eill affect Mail, the ~/Library may be fixed into the SSD and as all iphone backups are usually stored there it can quickly fill up.





Feb 2, 2020 3:48 AM in response to leex

I have a 2012 21 iMac with FusionDrive. I replaced the HDD with a 2 TB SSD. When I upgraded to Catalina I experienced the same issues as everyone else. I reinstalled Catalina from scratch but did not work until I saw re5i5tor’s post on this feed and follows the same steps (less bootable USB as you can get the OS online vie the EFI) but basically rebuilt the Fusion and now my machine works as intended with all the issues fixed. I even formatted the drive to APFS - since I had an all SSD disk. For a 8 year old machine it actually works well. I had posted 4 times now to confirm that the solution re5i5tor gave works. Hope it helps.

Jan 4, 2020 7:08 AM in response to LD150

I upgraded to Catalina prior to starting the project, and got my hands tied by this issue in the middle of it. It was not only Mail.app failing to operate, it was the whole iMac being unable to handle any serious workflow. And since I did not have the time to take any additional risks I just split the fusion drive and went full ahead with SSD + HDD as separate devices. Actually the iMac runs faster now!


Feb 1, 2020 7:29 PM in response to LD150

The article you reference states at the beginning of the article: If your Fusion Drive appears as two drives instead of one in the Finder, it's no longer working as a Fusion Drive. Here's how to fix it....


My fusion drive appears as one drive on my iMac, therefore I do not see this as a logical solution. As I said, you need to provide additional statements to buttress your argument that I need to reformat my hard drive to due an issue associated with the email app.

Feb 2, 2020 2:09 AM in response to b862

I went back to Mojave.


I had at least 2 days of extreme frustration trying to solve this problem; everything that could go wrong went wrong. I tried the 'Fusion Drive fix' and it did not work, I have a fusion drive but they are both SSD as I got an upgrade trying to get this iMac lemon to function better (and yes an authorised dealer installed it).


Getting Mojave back onto the computer was also a real pain but I finally did it, of course Time Capsule then refused to let me reinstall stuff, so I had to reconfigure just about everything.


I am now over the the anger and frustration I felt, but I think my next computer will be a Mac derivative, I have used Macs since the mid 90s: I was in essence a fan-boy, deciding to stick with them when everyone said they were doomed. I am so over that now.


I have costed what 'bang you get for your buck' and paying 3-4 times more for something that is basically not upgradable is nuts. I hear that going this route can be complicated but having just spent more than 2 days trying to sort out the problem on a real Mac, I am not sure that is an issue anymore!


One thing I would add is that I am not sure it is worth fixing the fusion drive, it may be better to have 2 separate drives, the original in my system is only 25gb so not a big deal and you can use if for other things; there is no guarantee this problem won't happen again with a future update if you join them back together.


Maybe slightly off-topic but the all this grief came from that precious upgrade.

Nov 12, 2019 5:57 PM in response to re5i5tor

OK, so I figured it might be good to search for issues relating to Catalina and Fusion drives.


I found this and I'm guessing that, if you are willing to go through a full reinstall including resetting your Fusion drive, the fix described here would work: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250738908?page=1


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


I did a clean install before without fixing the fusion table and several apps kept complaining about disk space.

I use an iMac 2019 with FD (using 2 SSDs, I replaced the HDD).


I haven't tried this yet.

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