Mail cannot save information about your mailboxes because there isn't enough space in your home folder

Mail will not open since Catalina upgrade. Receive this message and I have tried all the older solutions with previous Mail OS update issues. This message pops up when attempting to import mail messages. "Mail cannot save information about your mailboxes because there isn't enough space in your home folder". Same message when I attempted the index fix from past. What is the current fix for this?

iMac Line (2012 and Later)

Posted on Oct 8, 2019 9:49 PM

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Posted on Jan 4, 2020 6:32 AM

Just a reminder / summary to all with this problem:


  • It is not a mail problem. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


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Jan 4, 2020 6:32 AM in response to b862

Just a reminder / summary to all with this problem:


  • It is not a mail problem. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


Oct 10, 2019 1:03 AM in response to b862

Hi All,


I was struggling with the same issue, and have been looking all over google/forums for the resolution.

I've signed up to help as it looks like (touch wood) I've finally found something that has worked and wanted to share.


Firstly, I went to System Preferences>Internet Accounts and disabled all Mail on the several accounts I have stored (I'm not sure if this assisted in any way).


I then followed step 3 from the following post:

https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/138537/how-can-i-delete-my-mail-app-and-re-install-it


Once I had booted my Mail back up, I enabled all my mail accounts.


Let me know if this helps! My mail seems to be behaving itself since I followed these steps.


Cheers,

Charlie

Oct 10, 2019 1:05 AM in response to cllivesey

FYI: For reference, if the link dies for some reason, point 3 was:


Try to reset Mail settings. - which you will need to set up after following:

Quit Mail, then go to Finder and press ⇧⌘G and enter (or copy) the following:

~/Library/Containers/com.apple.mail/Data/Library/Preferences

Look for "com.apple.mail.plist" and drag it the Desktop, then restart Mail.

Oct 10, 2019 12:17 PM in response to b862

18 GB is critically low space. Do not attempt to use that machine for anything until you delete some files. You need at least 30 GB of free space to do anything. The operating system will almost never tell you how much “free” space you have. It is reporting “available” space, which is completely different. The idea is that it will “free up” space if you run low. That never happens correctly.


If you can locate your boot drive in the Finder and do a quicklook on it, that should report the actual free space. Select the disk and hold down the space bar. It should look like this:


Ignore anything that says “available” space.

Nov 29, 2019 7:03 AM in response to b862

Just to recap the current understanding of the cause of this issue and how to fix it.

  • It is not a mail problem. It is a problem with a corrupt APFS drive, almost always a Fusion drive
  • The problem can be triggered by upgrading to Catalina, or by using Migration Assistant
  • The only stable solution at the moment is to reset the Fusion drive, reformat and completely reinstall Catalina, manually migrating your old data (not using Migration Assistant), see the instructions elsewhere on this post that include “diskutil resetfusion”
  • So far, no return of the errors (16 days)

Jan 22, 2020 7:39 PM in response to b862

My periodic refresher to all with this problem:


  • The response marked "Solution" is not the solution. Unfortunately it appears impossible for anyone to unmark it.
  • It is not a mail problem. You can't fix it by any fiddling with mail folders or settings. It is an issue with a corrupt Fusion drive / APFS volume and therefore can impact any app.
  • The problem is apparently caused by the data migration process that happens during the Catalina upgrade, and can apparently also be triggered by running Migration Assistant.
  • Doing a complete Catalina fresh installation including resetting the Fusion drive (and avoiding running Migration Assistant) has apparently completely resolved the issue for everyone who was tried it, myself included.
  • Breaking your Fusion drive, which leaves you with a very small OS drive, does not appear to be a good idea.


Specifically these instructions have worked for everyone who has tried them, to the best of my knowledge:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


Cheers!

Feb 6, 2020 8:16 AM in response to b862

Fingers crossed,  I have not yet experienced the dreaded error message  "Mail cannot save information..." after repeatedly encountering this error message after various attempts to solve the problem.


My punch line solution was moving a large number of high volume video files that were recently created and managed in the past six months to an external SDD drive. 


What does moving large files from my fusion drive, not related to my mail app, have to do with this error message?  I cannot definitively answer that question.  However,  after receiving suggestions to reformat fusion drives and given my methodical nature of initially implementing small changes in an IT environment, I started looking at literature on the fusion drive before I, as stated perviously, perform a lobotomy on the fusion drive.  


Please excuse me if what follows is pedantic.  Apple’s fusion drive combines traditional hard disk and SSD storage in a drive that appears to the operating system as a single volume. Hard disks provide a lot of storage for a low cost per gigabyte, but they’re relatively slow. SSDs — solid-state drives — are much faster but can cost more per gigabyte. By fusing the hard disk and SSD into a single volume, a Fusion Drive provides a lot more storage than an SSD with far better performance than a hard disk. macOS achieves this performance by storing operating system files, commonly used apps, and your most frequently used data on the SSD. Adjusting data storage locations happens behind the scenes, so you don’t (and can’t) know what data is stored where — some files may even be stored in both places.


The Fusion Drive, introduced about nine years ago, relies on a fast SSD and a slow (5,400 rpm) HDD, and optimizes the SSD storage to hold the most frequently used data. This can allow fast boots and keep apps running quickly.  Which is great!


Drive manufacturers that offer hybrid drives often embed the SSD storage into the same package as the HDD. Apple, in contrast, puts an SSD on the computer motherboard separately from the HDD, and relies on macOS to integrate the two.   (Perhaps this is where comments arise about the error message cropping up with new iterations fo the OS.)  Files aren’t stored separately on the two drives, but rather macOS interleaves data so that it’s effectively like one big drive.


That’s great for performance and cost, but it’s highly problematic if your HDD fails or if your Mac bites the dust or you encounter performance problems with apps…. and if you have to be able to recover data from both the HDD and SSD, including removing both of them physically from a Mac in the case of device failure, to recover the data as a whole. Otherwise, it’s like trying to put  a multi piece puzzle together in which it’s not like 32 pieces are missing, but small parts of hundreds of pieces can’t be found.


I read somewhere that the 32 GB SSD in the current 1 TB Fusion Drive is actually an improvement because in 2015 Apple reduced the size of the SSD from 128 GB to 24 GB.  I have a 2013 27in iMAC with a 3.2 GHz quad core processor, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3with a 1.12 TB fusion drive.  I don't know how much of the drive is SSD put I am thinking it is 24 GB. I also don't know what mix of files (data, operating and applications) reside on the SSD.  I also don't know how the current macOS Catalina 10.15.3 manages the SSD in terms of placing 'frequently used files' on the SSD to improve performance. 


So, I thought, one initially minimally invasive approach to this problem would be to move large data files (video files) that I have used in the past year off of the fusion hard drive and onto a separate SSD drive. Once I moved the files, I deleted the initial copies off of the fusion drive. 


I have not encountered mail app error message since.  Is this fortuitous? I don't know.  But similar to many things with the MAC operating system and architecture, it is more of a challenge to tinker 'under the hood' than it is in a Windows or freeware operating systems.  

Nov 12, 2019 5:57 PM in response to re5i5tor

OK, so I figured it might be good to search for issues relating to Catalina and Fusion drives.


I found this and I'm guessing that, if you are willing to go through a full reinstall including resetting your Fusion drive, the fix described here would work: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250738908?page=1


Specifically these instructions:


Alright, these steps fixed my problems:

  1. Create bootable USB with macOS 10.15.1 (or latest)
  2. Restart Mac and press with Cmd + Option + R to start recovery mode
  3. In recovery mode open Terminal and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  4. Install macOS


I did a clean install before without fixing the fusion table and several apps kept complaining about disk space.

I use an iMac 2019 with FD (using 2 SSDs, I replaced the HDD).


I haven't tried this yet.

Feb 6, 2020 8:03 AM in response to efi-123

Fingers crossed, I have not yet experienced the dreaded error message "Mail cannot save information...".


My punch line solution was moving a large number of high volume video files that were recently created and managed in the past six months to an external SDD drive.


What does moving large files from my fusion drive, not related to my mail app, have to do with this error message? I cannot definitively answer that question. However, after receiving suggestions to reformat fusion drives and given my methodical nature of initially implementing small changes in an IT environment, I started looking at literature on the fusion drive before I, as stated perviously, perform a lobotomy on the fusion drive.


Please excuse me if what follows is pedantic. Apple’s fusion drive combines traditional hard disk and SSD storage in a drive that appears to the operating system as a single volume. Hard disks provide a lot of storage for a low cost per gigabyte, but they’re relatively slow. SSDs — solid-state drives — are much faster but can cost more per gigabyte. By fusing the hard disk and SSD into a single volume, a Fusion Drive provides a lot more storage than an SSD with far better performance than a hard disk. macOS achieves this performance by storing operating system files, commonly used apps, and your most frequently used data on the SSD. Adjusting data storage locations happens behind the scenes, so you don’t (and can’t) know what data is stored where — some files may even be stored in both places.


The Fusion Drive, introduced about nine years ago, relies on a fast SSD and a slow (5,400 rpm) HDD, and optimizes the SSD storage to hold the most frequently used data. This can allow fast boots and keep apps running quickly. Which is great!


Drive manufacturers that offer hybrid drives often embed the SSD storage into the same package as the HDD. Apple, in contrast, puts an SSD on the computer motherboard separately from the HDD, and relies on macOS to integrate the two. (Perhaps this is where comments arise about the error message cropping up with new iterations fo the OS.) Files aren’t stored separately on the two drives, but rather macOS interleaves data so that it’s effectively like one big drive.


That’s great for performance and cost, but it’s highly problematic if your HDD fails or if your Mac bites the dust or you encounter performance problems with apps…. and if you have to be able to recover data from both the HDD and SSD, including removing both of them physically from a Mac in the case of device failure, to recover the data as a whole. Otherwise, it’s like trying to put a multi piece puzzle together in which it’s not like 32 pieces are missing, but small parts of hundreds of pieces can’t be found.


I read somewhere that the 32 GB SSD in the current 1 TB Fusion Drive is actually an improvement because in 2015 Apple reduced the size of the SSD from 128 GB to 24 GB.  I have a 2013 27in iMAC with a 3.2 GHz quad core processor, 16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3with a 1.12 TB fusion drive. I don't know how much of the drive is SSD put I am thinking it is 24 GB. I also don't know what mix of files (data, operating and applications) reside on the SSD. I also don't know how the current macOS Catalina 10.15.3 manages the SSD in terms of placing 'frequently used files' on the SSD to improve performance.


So, I thought, one initially minimally invasive approach to this problem would be to move large data files (video files) that I have used in the past year off of the fusion hard drive and onto a separate SSD drive. Once I moved the files, I deleted the initial copies off of the fusion drive.


I have not encountered mail app error message since. Is this fortuitous? I don't know. But similar to many things with the MAC operating system and architecture, it is more of a challenge to tinker 'under the hood' than it is in a Windows or freeware operating systems.



Dec 23, 2019 12:19 AM in response to re5i5tor

Hi all,


After following re5i5tor’s steps and guides by re-building the fusion drive and re-installing OSX I can say that my iMac has been working fine for 10 days...

so, from my perspective this is the solution to the issue.

efi-123, maybe it is worth, if you are still willing to go through the process, rebuilding your fusion drive... if this method worked for re5i5tor and me, I don’t see a reason yours would not.

Good luck, everyone!

Nov 24, 2019 9:13 AM in response to re5i5tor

Yes - I did the same. And my Mac has been stable for 2 days so far. Thanks

i.e. I did

  • Bootable USB with MacOS10.15.1
  • Restart Mac and press cmd + option + R to start recovery mode
  • In recovery mode open Terminal (top menu, Utilities, Terminal) and enter "diskutil resetfusion"
  • Install MacOS
  • >>> Did NOT use migration tool
  • Reinstalled my sw from scratch ... Took lots of time.. but finally got there. And now stable.

Jan 4, 2020 7:29 AM in response to efi-123

Fair enough.


Interesting that two different approaches have fixed the problem. i.e.

  • Split into two drives and not used as fusion any more (yours)
  • Reset to original Apple fusion drive as one drive with caching (Re5i5tor)

the possible consequence of yours is that is the SSD part is small, and this eill affect Mail, the ~/Library may be fixed into the SSD and as all iphone backups are usually stored there it can quickly fill up.





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