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Really obvious high heart rate notifications not working?

Hi. I've had a series 3 for about 3 years, I bought it because I wanted to keep a check on some irregular heart rhythms I was experiencing (possible Afib). For a couple of years it was regularly registering high heart rate notifications whilst I was sleeping. I would go from my regular 60BPM resting heart rate to 140BPM or higher, the watch would record this for 30 - 60 minutes, sometimes more than once per night, before returning to my normal resting rate. A corresponding high heart rate notification would also be recorded.

Since May 2019 no high heart rate notifications have been recorded despite the heart rate recorder showing these heart rate spikes perhaps once per week.


Yes, I have checked all the settings and been through the heart rate notification setup repeatedly. There is no obvious reason why this feature no longer works. My notification threshold has been set to 100 and also 110 BPM, heart rate has been higher than 120 whilst sleeping recently but still no notification!


I've tried a full reset and reinstalled apps on my watch, hard reboots on both watch and iphone (I'm using Iphone 6). Both watch and Iphone are fully up to date with IOS. I'm at a loss, it's just not working.


As a side question; I've read that it's possible for Apple watch to read BPM incorrectly due to movement during exercise etc and the reading is usually low. Is there any possibility that the BPM could incorrectly read high? I'm still not sure these heart rate spikes I'm getting whilst sleeping are genuine. Whether genuine or not, Apple watch should still record the high heart notification.


Cheers

Rob

Apple Watch Series 3, watchOS 5

Posted on Jun 11, 2020 11:34 AM

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Posted on Aug 18, 2020 9:44 AM

Hey Drewberry2. It's nice to know I'm not the only one with this issue but sorry you're as frustrated as I am with it!


The watch used to send HHR notifications when I was asleep no problem so it can only have been 'programmed out' with an update around a year ago. I thought the whole point was that the notifications only occur when we were at rest/motionless for more than 10 minutes - when sleeping is precisely when you'd want them to be logged!!


I'm going to post in a separate message the name of the additional O2/HR monitor I purchased to confirm or disprove the Apple HR monitoring. I don't know if Apple will allow this on this board, I guess if you don't see my next message they've prohibited it...

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Rob

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Aug 18, 2020 9:44 AM in response to Drewberry2

Hey Drewberry2. It's nice to know I'm not the only one with this issue but sorry you're as frustrated as I am with it!


The watch used to send HHR notifications when I was asleep no problem so it can only have been 'programmed out' with an update around a year ago. I thought the whole point was that the notifications only occur when we were at rest/motionless for more than 10 minutes - when sleeping is precisely when you'd want them to be logged!!


I'm going to post in a separate message the name of the additional O2/HR monitor I purchased to confirm or disprove the Apple HR monitoring. I don't know if Apple will allow this on this board, I guess if you don't see my next message they've prohibited it...

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Rob

Jun 15, 2020 11:55 PM in response to Joseph_S.

Wow, does anyone on this board actually read the original post? I'm not asking about the ECG feature, as far as I'm aware it isn't available on series 3 watch.


To make my point with fewer words; 'why isn't my watch/health app registering high heart rate notifications?'


I had a spike from 50 - 60BPM to 115BPM for an hour last night whilst asleep. Notification was set to trigger at 110BPM. No notification.

Jun 12, 2020 12:20 PM in response to R_O_B_Apple

Thanks for asking about the new ECG feature.


Check here for availability in your region: ECG


ECG requires the current non-beta version of iOS and watchOS. For additional help with the ECG feature on your Apple Watch, take a look at these articles.


Heart rate notifications on your Apple Watch - Apple Support


Taking an ECG with the ECG app on Apple Watch Series 4 or later - Apple Support


If you have any other questions please reach out to our team here: https://apple.co/HeartFeatures. If you believe that you are experiencing a medical emergency, please dial your local emergency services.


Take care 

Nov 10, 2020 7:33 AM in response to Drewberry2

Hi R_O_B_Apple,


Thanks for posting this update. I am curious if this issue was ever remedied by Apple?


I ask because I saw that during the nighttime from 04.13 to 05.17, a period of over one hour, the heart rate recorded ranged consistently from 119 - 129 with no notification.


The high heart rate notification feature has worked in the past, but seems to have stopped working as I recall noticing this happen previously during the past several months. Like you, this is a significant reason for purchasing an Apple Watch.


My current setup is:

    • iPhone Xs iOS running 14.2
    • iWatch 4 series watch running os 7.1


And I have tried all the classic first-line remedies like restarting devices and such.


Any thoughts you have, or any of those from the eagle-eyed folks at Apple support, would be highly appreciated.


Thanks!



Dec 16, 2020 12:13 PM in response to LderMan11

Hi LderMan11,


Dont freak out - if you think by any chance that the measurements are accurate - check with your doctor. There are many reasons that can cause this and some of them are not much to worry.


Now if you believe that a technical error might be the cause, then what I would do is:

  • try to wear your watch on the other hand and see if you can reproduce. For me it seems that it only happens when i wear the watch on the left hand and i do suspect that it can be something related to movement or the position of the arm that causes this. And i also get sometimes 10-15 high measurements in a row, so that does not tell much.
  • not sure which version of watch you have, but check your hrv measurement if available during the period of high heart rate; what i noticed is that in between those 10-15 high readings it usually comes a hrv measurement which takes a sample every second for a minute and that is normal for sleep (for me around 50-55). Check for the beat to beat measurements data. There are differences in the way the 2 types of measurement use the sensors so a software/hardware error might explain the high measurements.
  • what you can also do is try to use an app like cardiogram and record your heartrate continuously for the night; this will mess up your stats as the watch will think that you are working out the whole night but it will give you a nice continuous heart rate to check in the morning
  • if available, you can try to use a second watch/fitness tracker on your other arm and compare the results


Hope this helps! And remember - always check with your doctor when in doubt.



Dec 24, 2020 10:30 AM in response to R_O_B_Apple

Apple Watch 6

iPhone 11


  • My watch has never sent me any notifications since I purchased the 6 the day it came out. The notifications are on, the nominal which I believe are 50/120. I have heart rates in the 40s and heart rates up to 180 as seen in the health app. These are at all times, not just during rest - I don’t wear my watch to sleep. Actually, the only time i got a notification was when I used the ECG app while working out. I work in cardiology and run a pacemaker clinic. It’s important to have these notifications work, and I find it inaceptable that they don’t. My dad wants to purchase a watch to help monitor if he goes into AFib and I told him not to based off of my experience and the experience in this thread.
  • if anyone finds a resolution, please keep us updated.

Nov 28, 2020 2:49 PM in response to R_O_B_Apple

Devices: Apple Watch Series 4 (44mm) running watchOS 7.02 with iPhone 11 Pro Max running OS14.2


Hi all, I am experiencing the same problem.

Last night my BPM jumped from 70 to 144 around 1:30am while I was asleep. This high heart rate (according to the data Apple shows me) remained consistently high around the 130-140BPM mark for several hours, dropping back down to my normal resting heart rate range in the 60s some time after 4am. Images included below:


I received no high heart rate alerts, and I never have before. I would have thought this example was a clear situation where the notification should have occurred.


I know some are sceptical of the accuracy of the Apple Heart Monitoring, but I am inclined to believe the heart rate in this instance was somewhat accurate as I have recently begun using a doctor prescribed medication where periods of tachycardia are a known temporary side effect, and I have been experiencing this at times during the day, but not for longer than a few minutes. And as of tomorrow I am actually going to be wearing a heart and blood pressure monitor for 24hours to pick up abnormalities (organised before this episode with my Apple Watch data).


Anyway I am very keen to know why the advertised function of notifications are not occurring.

Even if the BPM data is not entirely accurate - when the data shows sustained BPM over the 100BPM threshold I have set and lasts beyond the 10mins required, the notification feature should be kicking in regardless. And it currently is not.

Apple really needs to address this issue with customers, whether it be to clarify the potential misunderstanding between advertised functionality and customer expectation, or to fix it as a known issue, or acknowledge at the very least an issue yet to be fixed. It is dangerous to set an expectation around functionality and then not perform accordingly, when it related to heart health.

Dec 16, 2020 1:55 PM in response to Razvd_ro

Hello Rob and Razvd,


first of all I want to thank you guys for getting back to me this quickly with great replies like this! It is much appreciated! I was definitely freaking out because of this because I am a bit of a hypochondriac and feel bad about bothering my doctor with this during the current lockdown.


i have checked the “Beat to beat” section in the HVR section and unfortunately, there was no measurement for last night during the time of the elevated heart rate. This is kind of strange because usually there is a measurement every two hours which could be an indication that the watch was not able to get an accurate HVR measurement during that time which could mean a sensor/software error.


There was however a HVR measurement for when this happens on November 21st. And sure enough, that measurement is totally normal (about 48 bpm). This is actually also reflected in the normal heart rate measurement with the only below 100 dot in the attached screenshot coinciding exactly with the HVR measurement.



It it also strange that neither of there events triggers an elevated heart rate warning even thought I have received multiple low heart rate warnings (below 45) during my sleep in the last weeks and my Apple Watch is also listed as a device providing data in the high heart rate warning section in the health app.


so it could be that the Apple Watch notices that the readings are abnormal and does not trigger a warning because of that.


i will wear my girlfriends Apple Watch on my other arm for a few nights and report back!



Jun 12, 2020 12:12 PM in response to R_O_B_Apple

Just to be certain I was truly up to date, I checked for updates (again!) sure enough there was yet another IOS update, only updated less than 2 weeks ago! However, having installed this the watch OS cannot be updated, error shown on the phone something like 'to upgrade the software on your apple watch, you first need to update the software on your iphone'.


Thanks Apple, it appears your latest IOS update means I can no longer update my watch OS.


To be clear, this latest IOS update may have caused yet another problem but my original problem has been ongoing for the last year despite multiple updates of both IOS and watch software and no obvious incompatibility.

Jul 18, 2020 11:48 AM in response to R_O_B_Apple

I've finally identified the problem, although I can't see how to fix it.


From Health App, going to sources -> Apple Watch, there is no source for High heart rate notifications, however there is an 'Apple watch' entry for low heart rate notifications (low notifications work correctly)


If I go to Health -> Heart, and choose the 'i' (information) option for High heart rate notifications -> 'Data sources & access' there are no data sources listed. If I do the same for Low heart rate notifications my watch appears as a Data Source.


It's pretty obvious that my watch is being ignored as a data source for high heart rate notifications. How can this be fixed?? This may also apply to irregular rhythm notifications, I can't find any reference to sources for this.


Please note I have unpaired and again paired my watch and iphone 6 more than once and it's made no difference.


My watch has been updated today to v.5.3.8. My phone is currently updating, I don't expect this to make any difference, the last 4 updates haven't.

Aug 5, 2020 3:15 AM in response to Drewberry2

Hi Drewberry2. No, I've had no pertinent answers from anywhere yet. Apple support sent me to the wrong department, it seems there are very specific support teams for very specific support issues. I was sent to support for the ECG feature - which my watch does not support. I admit that I gave up due to periods on hold and not being able to spend a morning identifying which team I should actually be talking to.

My guess is that the data source is populated when some data has been confirmed. I get low heart rate readings and notifications regularly (heart rate is below 50BPM most nights thanks to beta blockers) but still not high notifications. I expect if I ever do get a high notification it will be at this point that my watch is identified as the data source.


Because the overnight readings looked suspicious to me I purchased a separate device which records both O2 and heart rate, more or less constantly through the night. I've only seen one high reading from my Apple watch in the last 2 weeks (over 130BPM for around 1hr) and the other device showed my heart rate as normal during the period. I now suspect that the Apple watch readings are nonsense. Perhaps the watch identifies them as nonsense and therefore doesn't send a notification whereas earlier watch OS versions saw the heart rate and sent the notification regardless (?) Either way, it would be helpful if Apple could confirm this.


Please let me know if you get anywhere with this. Good luck.


PS. If you're not getting ANY notifications it would be worth googling how to set them up, just to confirm you haven't missed something.

Aug 16, 2020 7:57 AM in response to R_O_B_Apple

Thank-you R_O_B_Apple.


I had an online chat with Apple Support but they only recommended taking my watch back to factory settings & seeing if that helped. Well, I've done that but now need to wait until my heart does something worthy of a notification - which to date has only happened every month or so i.e. high heart rates while asleep - before getting back to them for any further help. I'm not optimistic but you never know...


I think you're right that the data source only gets populated when there's a notifiable event since my wife's watch has notified her once of a low heart rate but the others have no sources.



Aug 17, 2020 8:44 AM in response to Drewberry2

R_O_B_Apple

An update - today I spoke on the phone with Apple Health Support who said they didn't think the high heart rate notification worked while the watch thinks you're asleep - so in our cases that would rule out notifications! They have escalated this to somewhere else & will call me back next week with a more detailed answer & confirm if this 'sleeping' issue is correct. I asked how the watch 'knew' I was asleep & got the answer that if I was 'still' for more than 'a while' it would assume I was asleep. Since this is quite ambiguous that's why they are escalating for a more precise answer. I'll let you know how this goes.


I then also asked if this would also be the case for low & irregular heart rate notifications - they were unsure about this but will get this resolved, hopefully, via the same escalation. If so then a significant part of the reasons I bought an Apple Watch will have been negated.

Really obvious high heart rate notifications not working?

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