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4K Monitors for Mac Mini M1

Hi All,


I have got my new and Shiny mini M1 this week. I am currently using it with my old 24inch monitor.


now it is search time for new two 4K 27inch Monitors.


could you advise what kind of Monitor I should look for my M1 for best 4K resolution.


Should I go for with HDMI monitors?

Should I go for Display Port using USB-C to DP cable?

Should I go for USB-C monitors which are costlier than above two?


Regards

JM

Mac mini 2018 or later

Posted on Dec 18, 2020 2:11 AM

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Posted on Dec 18, 2020 9:08 AM

After a great deal of reading and research, I purchased the recently released LG 27UN850-W. To say that I have been pleased with the choice would be an understatement. It is all I hoped for, and more, in that it solved the problem my previous monitor had with not waking up with my M1 Mac mini.


I disagree with VikingOSX on this: "One consideration is that if you opt for a 4K display, everything will appear smaller on the screen"


With a 4k display set in preferences to use its native "default for this display" resolution, what you see visually on screen with a 27" 4k monitor is exactly the same size as what you would see on a 27" 1080p monitor. Bear with me as this takes a bit (at least it did for me) to wrap your brain around. A 1080p monitor is 1920x1080 while a 4k monitor is 3840x2160. If you double 1920 you get 3840 and double 1080 get 2160. What Apple does is use a scaling factor. For each single pixel on 1080p, the 4k monitor displays four pixels, in a 2 x 2 grid. Double the horizontal (1920 = 3840) and double the vertical (1080 = 2160).


Bottom line, on screen, you have 4 times as many pixels making up the screen content, yet at the same visual size as 1080p. Packing 4 times as many pixels into the same physical space results in much sharper text, lines, curves, etc. What VikingOSX said would be true with different display resolution settings, but that is not how Apple intended it to be set for a 4k monitor.


The concept above is exactly how built in Apple displays work. Retina display is essentially all about packing in a high pixels per inch count. With a 27" 1080p monitor, you get 6,653 pixels per square inch. With a 27" 4k monitor, you get 26,628 pixels per square inch.


I have attached a screenshot of my LG 27UN850-W and you can see that the UI and text is not proportionally tiny or hard to read. Click it and open it up to full size to see.

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Dec 18, 2020 9:08 AM in response to VikingOSX

After a great deal of reading and research, I purchased the recently released LG 27UN850-W. To say that I have been pleased with the choice would be an understatement. It is all I hoped for, and more, in that it solved the problem my previous monitor had with not waking up with my M1 Mac mini.


I disagree with VikingOSX on this: "One consideration is that if you opt for a 4K display, everything will appear smaller on the screen"


With a 4k display set in preferences to use its native "default for this display" resolution, what you see visually on screen with a 27" 4k monitor is exactly the same size as what you would see on a 27" 1080p monitor. Bear with me as this takes a bit (at least it did for me) to wrap your brain around. A 1080p monitor is 1920x1080 while a 4k monitor is 3840x2160. If you double 1920 you get 3840 and double 1080 get 2160. What Apple does is use a scaling factor. For each single pixel on 1080p, the 4k monitor displays four pixels, in a 2 x 2 grid. Double the horizontal (1920 = 3840) and double the vertical (1080 = 2160).


Bottom line, on screen, you have 4 times as many pixels making up the screen content, yet at the same visual size as 1080p. Packing 4 times as many pixels into the same physical space results in much sharper text, lines, curves, etc. What VikingOSX said would be true with different display resolution settings, but that is not how Apple intended it to be set for a 4k monitor.


The concept above is exactly how built in Apple displays work. Retina display is essentially all about packing in a high pixels per inch count. With a 27" 1080p monitor, you get 6,653 pixels per square inch. With a 27" 4k monitor, you get 26,628 pixels per square inch.


I have attached a screenshot of my LG 27UN850-W and you can see that the UI and text is not proportionally tiny or hard to read. Click it and open it up to full size to see.

Dec 18, 2020 6:24 AM in response to JMavi

One consideration is that if you opt for a 4K display, everything will appear smaller on the screen, and unless you have acute vision, you may find that you need a special computer eyeglass prescription. It also means that you want a better quality display that resolves text as very sharp, and not blurry.


I tried my new M1 mini on a 4K HDR 40 inch TV via HDMI and the text was porous and I new it would give me significant eye strain, even with that computer prescription. There are two different 27 inch LG displays in the online Apple store that are compatible with the M1 mini: 1) 4K Ultrafine, and 2) 5K Ultrafine.


I wanted more desktop than offered by a 27 inch display, and did not want the issues that users of 34, 39, 49 inch gaming displays were experiencing with their resolution. I opted for the 32 inch LG 32UN800-B 4K HDR-10 Ultrafine Ergo monitor which was at the same price point as the 27 inch LG 4K UltraFine offered by Apple, and includes an ergonomic and articulating stand. I am using this with a Belkin 4K HDMI 2.1 cable that I purchased from Apple, and the anti-glare results on this display are superb. There is no keyboard control of audio, or screen brightness, but that is not an issue for me as there are alternatives.

Jan 19, 2021 8:54 AM in response to JMavi

The setting is for "the overall fonts size of the entire system".


Click on your Apple icon in the upper left corner of your screen. Then select System Preferences > Displays.


On the resulting screen, you should be able to simply select the "Default for display" option to have everything setup automatically for a 4k display resolution, yet the text will appear equivalent to a larger 1080p layout.


If you want to see more options, select the radio button for "Scaled" instead. You will see several boxes allowing you to pick different relative font sizes. By default, the blue outline should already be around the selection that results in text that "Looks like 1920 x 1080", which you can see called out below the picture of the monitor. Again, this should already be the selected default when you use the radio button to select "Default for this display" rather than "Scaled".



Based on the many posts I see about resolution settings, this feature seems to mess with people for some reason. I believe that some conclude that selecting this changes their entire screen to "Looks like 1920 x 1080", which is not the case. The overall display screen stays at the native 4k 3840x2160 resolution, and it is only the UI and text that scales up.


This is done using a 1:4 scaling algorithm. In other words, on the 4k screen, what we think of as a single pixel at 1080p is instead shown as a square 2x2 grid. So, 1 pixel is shown as 2 horizontal and 2 vertical pixels, which doubles the vertical and horizontal size of each pixel. The net result is that 1920x1080 doubled in vertical & horizontal becomes 3840x2160. This is how you can actually be viewing a 4k screen yet have the text scaled up to readable size that "looks like" 1080p, yet because it has 4 times the pixel content the fonts appear super sharp and crisp.


It is such an elegant solution that I have never ceased to be befuddled by the many posts I see on here where folks seem to get headed down a rabbit hole on odd resolution settings that are not native to their monitor. Best as I can tell, there must be some option or setting that I am unaware of by which folks don't see the same settings that I show in my screenshot above, as they tend to describe something wildly different from what I am seeing.


At any rate, good luck sorting it out and I hope all my rambling above helps.

Feb 5, 2021 6:40 PM in response to TrafGib

Can I ask what issues you were having with the Alienware Monitor.


I have the AW2521HFL 1080p. It was running great using a PC over DisplayPort.


I have just purchased a Mac mini and connected it via hdmi, and I am having no end of issues. Flickering, vertical lines, Image retention (even after a few minutes).


Did you speak with Dell to see if they could offer a resolution? I’ve ordered a thunderbolt to DisplayPort cable as a last ditch attempt.


I first thought it was the Mac that was faulty but I have hooked that up to my 4K tv and the issues don’t present themselves.


Dec 18, 2020 10:52 AM in response to TrafGib

Further to your question, folks using conversion cables, or adapters, such as USB-C to DisplayPort seem to have a higher incidence of problems with their displays not waking up when their computer comes out of sleep.


Unless you are planning to attach a laptop to the monitor that could take advantage of charging via the USB-C cable, you really don't need a monitor with a 4k monitor with a USB-C port. If you are seeking a 4k monitor specifically for use with your Mac mini, then HDMI to HDMI is all you need for 4k 60hz performance, and you will have a higher likelihood of no issues with the monitor waking up.


Since my M1 mini experienced the waking problem with my first monitor (high-end Alienware) and zero problems with my new LG 4k, I was contacted by an Apple tech (as a result of posting here) to runs some tests and provide feedback. In my case, we were able to pin down the problem to the Alienware monitor and not the M1 Mac mini. So, heads-up as you shop for monitors, since the one you select can make a bid difference in whether you have issues or not.

Dec 19, 2020 8:08 AM in response to JMavi

That, or give up 4k to go with one of the wide format monitors. However, in other threads here, it seems that the wide format folks are having a lot of issues with monitor flickering, etc.


I don't know you motivation for two monitors, but if having them is mission critical for your usage, then (if it were me) I would be sure that the 2nd monitor was USB-C so that I could stick with USB-C to USB-C connection. I would want my two monitors to be twins, so that would mean USB-C capability for both, even through I would only be using HDMI on one of them.


For my setup, I went with the LG 27UN850-W monitor which has both USB-C and HDMI. Currently, I am using mine as HDMI to HDMI and it is working perfectly. I have not tested the USB-C connection.

Dec 19, 2020 11:37 AM in response to TrafGib

I disagree with VikingOSX on this: "One consideration is that if you opt for a 4K display, everything will appear smaller on the screen"


I never owned any Mac with Retina display. Went from 27-inch Late 2013 iMac, or 2014 MacBook Air to 27 inch Acer display via DisplayPort at 2560x1600 resolution to the new M1 mini and the 4K LG 32 inch display. That why things appeared much smaller than prior experience, and I had to make some settings adjustments to compensate.

Dec 19, 2020 11:44 AM in response to VikingOSX

Resolution wise, what does a 32" 4k monitor end up being?


27" 4k is best viewed at 3840x2160. With 32", do you maintain the 2160 vertical and just get additional horizontal pixel count?


If not, I could foresee things stretching and getting a little wonky. In another post, a user was inquiring about 2 27" monitors and the need to use two different cables. I wondered how the wider format monitors would work out, but have no experience with what resolutions end up getting used.

Dec 21, 2020 7:31 AM in response to VikingOSX

Ah, so you have a 32" monitor but still with the standard 16:9 aspect ratio. I was thinking that you were using a 21:9 UltraWide monitor. I know that at 4k both would still have the same 2160 vertical resolution. What I don't know is what the 21:9 monitors do regarding the horizontal resolution to take advantage of that extra real estate.


3840x2160 4k on a 27" monitor = 168.18 DPI

3840x2160 4k on a 32" monitor = 137.68 DPI

21.5" iMac 4090x2304 = 218.58 DPI

27" iMac 5120x2880 5k = 217.58 DPI

Popular rumor for new M1 iMac (24" 5k) = 244.77 DPI


Not sure that I would jump on board a 24' display, after having a 27", but that 245 DPI should look stunning!

Dec 30, 2020 10:03 PM in response to VikingOSX

I have the same monitor — 32 inch LG 32UN800-B 4K HDR-10 Ultrafine Ergo — bought from Costco for $600. Currently I have it connected to my M1 MacBook Air using the USB-C to USB-C cable that came with the monitor. No issues. Wakes from sleep. Crisp image. I also have a USB-C to DisplayPort cable I may try at another time. Colors are good. I will run my Spyder5 Pro color calibrater later, but out-of-the box is more than acceptable (I may change my mind after calibration). Running at its native 4K resolution. And yes, the text is pretty small. I may try some of the other resolution options. One of the best things about this particular monitor is the stand it comes with. Able to set the screen at the best distance for my eyes.

Jan 16, 2021 11:30 AM in response to JMavi

Hello will the LG UHD 4K monitor model #27UD88 work with the new Mac mini m1 that I just purchased? I just purchased the monitor and Mac mini and I received the monitor first and I have been reading about some nightmares with some 4K monitors and the new Mac mini! So I’m asking should I return the monitor and get a different one or will the monitor I bought work with the new Mac mini? Thanks greatly appreciated !

Jan 17, 2021 7:00 AM in response to Godssouljah007

Exactly what "nightmares with some 4k monitors" are you referring to?


Many are experiencing issues with monitors waking up when coming out of sleep, but that is not specific to 4k monitors. Is your concern/question related to the specific 27UD88 monitor your purchased, of just 4k monitors in general?


Much further up the post, you will see my screenshot and comments on my LG 27UN850-W. As stated there, I could not be more pleased with my choice. Looking on the LG website, the specs on your 27UD88-W are very similar to the 27UN850-W.


As I did my research for buying mine, I found it to be very frustrating as LG has far too many monitor models that are way too similar, no perceptible meaning built into the model numbers, and they are inconsistent with the application of specification naming such that when you use the "Compare" function, you find what seems to be differences that really are not. Two monitors can both have the same spec, they just show up in two different places on the compare list because LG did not maintain consistency in how they listed the spec.


With all that said, as I looked back through the specs on your 27UD88-W, I do not see any concerns that would prompt me to want to send it back. I only went with the 27UN850-W as it was a brand new model for LG in this class, and would hopefully benefit from any recent design changes they felt were needed in the line.


Regarding 4k in general, I personally would not go for a lesser resolution. Part of the Apple magic is the high DPI count. That is why you see 4k on the 21.5" iMac and 5k on the 27" iMac. Going with a 4k 27" monitor drops you below the 215+ DPI mark, however it still makes for a crisp and clear display.


3840x2160 4k on a 27" monitor = 168.18 DPI

21.5" iMac 4090x2304 = 218.58 DPI

27" iMac 5120x2880 5k = 217.58 DPI

4K Monitors for Mac Mini M1

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