After upgrading to Monterey MS Onedrive folder got inside iCloud

I've upgraded to Monterey from Big Sur and since this the physical location of the OneDrive folder has changed. Insted of having a folder inside my user folder, there's an alias, pointing to "/Users/leonardo/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal".


But the strange thing is that instead of have a column with just Onedrive status icons, I've got the iCloud icon status on its right side too...



Not sure what it means. As I'm not able to locate the files on my iCloud drive. Neither locally, nor online through icloud.com.


If I click on this iCloud icons it changes to a downloading icon and sometimes it seams to complete the download, in others don't. (As you can see on this image, some icons have desapeared after i clicked on them and waited until what I think was a download...



Well, I'm concerned about file versions, as well as conflicts. I'm also not sure if my Onedrive files are being uploaded to iCloud.


I'd like them to stop...


My MS OD app version is 21.210.1010.0001 (Standalone)


Any advice?


Thanks


MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 12.0

Posted on Oct 27, 2021 12:44 PM

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Posted on Feb 11, 2022 2:03 AM

"It's a feature not a bug"


After updating Monterey 12.1, I experienced the same "issues" because of confusion for the change of location of the OneDrive folder. The Apple update followed by a OneDrive update, created the same situation for me.


Applause, to Roger1970 who posted (Nov15,2021) with earlier links...


Here is a January 12, 2022 post on the MSOneDrive Blog:


.... Ankiti Kirti - Inside the new Files On-Demand Experience on macOS:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/microsoft-onedrive-blog/inside-the-new-files-on-demand-experience-on-macos/bc-p/3106689


Highlights:

    • The technology stack (based on Apple’s File Provider platform) is much better integrated with the operating system
    • The first version of Files On-Demand is built on several pieces of technology that are now deprecated.
    • The new Files On-Demand experience requires macOS 12.1 or later and a volume that is formatted with APFS.
    • With the new Files On-Demand experience, the sync root is always : ~/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal.
    • As part of the upgrade, the sync root will be moved to this location. This location cannot be moved or changed and is controlled by macOS.


It is informative if you want details, and explains what MS meant by "Deeper Integration" :) The changes are for features, not an error...




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Jan 10, 2022 9:50 AM in response to diasleo

I did not do anything else but move to the 21.250.1205.0002 (Standalone) (Apple silicon) (Preview) version.

I do have the folder in GroupContainers and the one in CloudStorage but only the files in CloudStorage seem to use real disk space (at least). They are kept in sync though, in the sense that when I add or remove files in CloudStorage/OneDrive, I see the change reflected under the OneDrive.noindex inside GroupContainers and vice versa. So only the double disk space problem is solved yet :-(.


The file handling inside CloudStorage is really annoying

  • It can take ages for something to sync
  • I frequently see the cloud/arrow symbol on files I did use recently (so when I open, they first download again)
  • my color tags don't sync anymore


Jan 16, 2022 9:39 AM in response to Adams075

Did some more digging today and wiped my OneDriveStandaloneSuite folder (stopped OneDrive before), then did a OneDrive reset with the command script inside the OneDrive app pack contents. Finding: The OneDriveStandaloneSuite folder and .noindex gets recreated. The size is 89GB (235MB on disk) - so that really only holds an index of all the files but not the content. My OneDrive folder inside CloudStorage was scanned after the reset (took about 20 minutes). I'll live with the situation for now as it does not take double space, but it would really be good to have one location only and if file tags would sync correctly...

Nov 11, 2021 12:18 PM in response to YankeeDudecom

I've just had some email exchanges with MS support. I'll post them bellow. There are some screen recordings support asked me to do. They show how things are working for me (please pardon my English, as it's not my native tongue ;-) )


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Hello Leonardo,


I hope you are doing well. Apologies for delayed response.


Kindly share us a screen recording of the issue that is happening at your end for us to better understand your issue and investigate further with the same.


Thanks & Regards,

Lavina | Microsoft 365 OneDrive Support Ambassador  




_________________________________________


Hi,


I’ve recorded a screen recording as requested. Hope this helps.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoELO5PxjTuxl5szxJXjwo4I1BR5zA?e=7Dib97


Other thing I’ve noticed is that uploading files are taking forever. OneDrive took more than 5 minutes to start to upload this video file (it’s a 17MB file on a 600MBps fiber connection). It just said “OD os processing changes, And there was nothing on queue. When it finally started to upload the file, it took a minute to upload only 17MB…



After recording the first video, I just realised something new. take a look on this new screen recording:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoELO5PxjTuxl5s09dc54gLBwVTLng?e=QTcQGK


As you can see, OD files are physically available somewhere else on my HD. But, the alias it’s displayed to me when I click on OneDrive folder, shows that some files are only online, even if they’re local.


Thanks


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Hello Leonardo,


 

Thank you for contacting OneDrive Support. Hope you are safe and doing well. 


Please accept our apology for the inconvenience caused. Assuring you of our best assistance. Hope you are doing fine and thanks for your response as well, can you please share the screenshot of the 'Activity center' by clicking on the cloud icon. In addition to that please go-to OneDrive.live.com and create a 'test-file' and check if the same file syncsdown to your device or not.

Awaiting your response.


 

Thanks & regards, 

Kumar S. 

OneDrive Team. 




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I’ve done that and noticed some strange things too:

  1. File downloads to OD physical folder almost immediately.
  2. File only appears on OD alias folder more than 3 minutes later.
  3. the file on OD physical location is the real one.
  4. The one in the alias is just a link pointing to the cloud (not sure which cloud though…)



The images should make it clear.



_____________________________



Let's see how things work out



Leonardo

Nov 11, 2021 5:44 PM in response to diasleo

Hi Leonardo,


Thanks for taking this up with MS Support. You did a nice job of highlighting the issues with the images and screen recordings. Hopefully they will come back with a sensible response. I'm still hoping for a fix to be released.


Although I had hoped to use the local folder :

Macintosh HD>users>[user name]>Library>Group Containers>XXXXXXXXXX.OneDriveStandaloneSuite>OneDrive - [account name].noindex>OneDrive - [account name]

..as my permanent OneDrive folder - since it contains my locally stored files, the lack of indexing is problematic. Many files at this location - presumably the files that were originally stored locally - open normally from here, without needing to download from the cloud. However other files within this folder do not function - probably because they were originally stored in the cloud?. When browsing this folder and subfolders, there is no way to tell which file will work, until you attempt to open it. And although the folder synchs with the cloud OneDrive, it doesn't seem to know to download a functional version of a non-functional ghost/alias file even when you try and open it - it just gives an error message.


Interestingly, I think my OneDrive updated at least twice, if not more, today (v21.225.1031.0001->1.0002->1.0005):



However I rebooted and restarted OneDrive twice but there was no apparent fix to the problem :-(


Rodger

Nov 15, 2021 8:00 AM in response to rodger1970

Very annoying, same here. The files in the CloudStorage location and in the .noindex folder seem to be related concerning content/size but the cloud location does not see the other local location, so I have to download everything into OneDrive first to have it all back to local. The two locations don't use up twice the storage, so there is some relation but definitely not the local/cloud state.


When I get the files into OneDrive from the cloud (by clicking the little cloud/download symbol), this works for some files but not all. For some, I get "The file couldn't be opened" as an error message in the Finder, which then breaks the recursion, so I have to go into the folder and look what is not downloaded to local yet. Very very annoying.


Needless to say that nothing should have moved into the magic CloudStorage folder in the first place and that the local files and their downloaded states should have been preserved! Getting everything to local would be a solution but seems to be tricky now with the "The file couldn't be opened". I'll continue to download everything and will report back here when done and hopefully some pattern which files "couldn't be opened".


In any case, a correction tool/resync or even a fix in OneDrive would be very useful.

Dec 21, 2021 2:44 AM in response to Adams075

Well,


I enjoyed a not so nice weekend reinstalling Mac OS Monterey. But things didn't go exactly as I'd love them to...


First I uninstalled MS Office completely, as MS instructs here: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/uninstall-office-for-mac-eefa1199-5b58-43af-8a3d-b73dc1a8cae3


I even removed Office 365 license as told on another MS article: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/how-to-remove-office-license-files-on-a-mac-b032c0f6-a431-4dad-83a9-6b727c03b193


Then I've checked for all office folders I could find (there were somes left, even following MS instructions), even the ones that were still creeping on "locations" on my finder sidebar. Emptied my trash bin and restarted the machine in order to reinstall Monterey.


I've re-installed Monterey over itself and after this, proceeded to re-install MS office with OD. But things now seems to be as they were before. I tried to select all my folders and force OD to download them, by choosing "always keep on this device". But I've kept getting a communication error message telling me to try later. So I've spent the last 2 days trying to make sure all those cloud icons telling me my files were only online, were gone. I did this by opening the files and thus forcing to have them downloaded, and by trying to copy a folder to another location (the later almost never worked). Today I finally got rid of all the cloud icons. I briefly believed I had all my files locally available again.


So I navigated thru some of my folders and hit space bar in order to preview them... Most were downloaded, but a large, random amount no. I could just preview their thumbnails... And more terrible, this time there was no cloud icon telling me which ones were physically on my SDD and which were just an alias...


So, I cannot know how many and which of my files exist now only on MS cloud... I guess the only safe form for me to be sure I can copy and backup all my files is downloading them on a Windows machine...


And this is a bug I could notice. Not sure if there are any other problems that put my files integrity in risk.


I hope this subpar and dreaded behaviour is solved early on 2022. Otherwise MS will be loosing a client..



PS. I could try to do a clean Monterey install, and then setting up all my system again, instead of re-installing it over itself. But as of now, I'm not sure it would help, but I'm pretty certain it would take a lot of time and patience....


I really expected to get with this done for Xmas... probably not.. :-(


Thank you all



Jan 5, 2022 10:23 AM in response to Adams075

I wanted to start from current state, so I did not remove anything, did not clean files and did not reset OneDrive!


Interestingly, the 21.250.xxx version now does NOT increase size in the GroupContainer folder anymore - yeah!!

All files I mark for local are properly downloaded in the corresponding OneDrive folder inside CloudStorage and do not take space inside the GroupContainers! So finally, files don't seem to take twice the space anymore - huge improvement! What is now needed is either OneDrive to really clean up what does not need to be there - or I'll toy around with deleting the corresponding files in GroupContainers and then resetting OneDrive... Risky...


I still don't get why the OneDrive.noindex in GroupContainers needs to exist when the structure is in the CloudStorage folder anyway. Likely a remnant of the former implementation that did not use the CloudStorage folder/API.

Jan 10, 2022 12:41 PM in response to wbauer

Good to know.


I guess I'll wait for the Apple Silicon version to be available for the general public, not only insider preview.


people are mentioning that files are duplicated and that they're taking double space. I'm actually not sure about this. During my several trials to sort and solve things out, I've deleted both folder more than a few time and I did not noticed that I got twice the space OneDrive should be taking.


I have 2 hypothesis for this:

  1. The CloudStorage is not really a "physical" folder, but more of a "logical" one. I mean it's an alias, just a link, pointing to the GroupContainer location, where the actual files are.
  2. APFS (Apple File System) the not so new File System Apple user on Monterey, Catalina, iPad OS, iPhone OS etc, does not require additional disk space in order to store a copy of a file. When you create a copy you mac does not copy the whole file into other location. Instead, it just creates an instance, a link, or "logical"copy if you will. So duplicating a folder and keeping always the copies in sync would not require twice the space.


So, for me, the annoyance is not the existence of two folders, per se. But the looooooong minutes it takes for syncing, the strange icon behaviours, the inability to control what's on my machine and what's only on the cloud, the need to download every time I open a file. And more recently, the CPU processing time OneDrive is demanding for the last couple days... (And, If I use Office files saved in OD, the permanent and automatic saving of files get's my M1 Macbook pro to its knees...).


It's about time MS get's this right!



(Sorry for my faulty poor English, it's not my native tongue and I loose the capacity to express my self well when I'm ****** off ;-) )



Jan 28, 2022 7:11 AM in response to cdelecole

Here is my story. I got a notification pop up that asked me to give OneDrive access to my folders. I agreed and that blew up my file structure and put me back where I was when this all started. I spoke to Microsoft support directly about it and the tech didn't know about the problem. He researched it and came back a few days later and said they didn't have a known solution.


I have given up on OneDrive after using it successfully for 10 years with great results. I have switched to iCloud to get more stability. Switching is easy but VERY, VERY, slow. uploading 350 GB is taking over 3 days to sync.


Sad story but I couldn't waste more time trying to solve a problem and they have Microsoft undo it with a "helpful" note.


Sorry to send this unhelpful news.



Jan 29, 2022 11:27 PM in response to miatang

Sorry Guys, I think I need correct myself. The situation comes back one day after and I think I found out that the ugly way of display is actually an update by Onedrive. Onedrive standalone will update itself automatically. My version is now 22.002.0103.004. Most files will be on-demand....so there is no cure or say no need to have a cure. The only thing we need to do is to get used to it. It takes time but I think the app will fix itself and link all files correctly in the system....it just takes a long time and it looks ugly.

Feb 11, 2022 3:29 AM in response to Carlos SMG

I raised a ticket with Microsoft on 8 December and provided screen-grab videos showing many of the defects others have described above. After days of runarounds they just stopped responding to me after 16 December, despite requests to escalate the ticket as it described bugs that affected everyone trying to run newer versions of OneDrive on Monterey.


No response, until suddenly, on 5 Feb, they replied once more, with “Sorry, this one got lost in our queue due to tool issue.” and “We are aware of the changes made after the latest update of MAC. You can refer to below article to know more about the changes.


Inside the new Files On-Demand Experience on macOS - Microsoft Tech Community


Very late, poor help desk service, but better than nothing - so now we know the intent. Pity it’s been such a bumpy, buggy, uncommunicative and ultimately poor user experience ride.


Microsoft could, and should, do better.

Oct 28, 2021 4:53 AM in response to diasleo

I have the same issue, OneDrive 21.210.1010.0001.

OneDrive on Big Sur no issues and location was $HOME/OneDrive.

After Monterey install, the location is now $HOME/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive and $HOME/OneDrive is a link to the first.

As CloudStorage seems to be this magic-handled folder by Monterey, I can't move it.


It looks as if icloud sees all the files as cloud only.

opening a folder comes up emtpy, then the content comes seconds later.

OneDrive is synchronizing files that were not touched and it takes forever.


It really looks as if icloud sees all as cloud and when onedrive or Finder access, it does an on-demand download. which would explain why OneDrive takes forever.


As OneDrive has file history that I don't want to lose, how do I turn off the icloud magic or how do I move the onedrive folder out of CloudStorage and into the former original location?

Oct 29, 2021 6:26 AM in response to wolfgang66

The Microsoft article explains why my OneDrive folder moved inside "~/Library/CloudStorage/"... But I cannot see OneDrive inside "locations" on the sidebar... Heck... I don't even see the title locations ;-)


And, the most strange part it does not explain, is why am I seeing to sets of icons (the ones in the left just like the ones show in the article, and the ones in the right, like the iCloud ones....

Besides, these icons display odd behaviour, as many times, even if i tell OD to keep the files locally, and wait for the download, to iCloud icon keeps showing them as if they were only available online.... (Cloud with down arrow)...


That's why I'm not sure if I can trust the integrity of my OneDrives files anymore... Because they could, eventually, be overwritten by iCloud, or vice versa, not sure what's happening with them anymore..

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