Safari on Monterey fails to load pages

Safari 15.2 with macOS 12.1 (Monterey) on my 2018 Mac Mini (with plenty of storage - 2 Tb SSD with 638Gb free) repeatedly fails to load web pages (including reloading existing ones) after starting a few: error "Safari Can't Open the Page -- Safari can't open the page. The error is: "The operation couldn't be completed. No space left on device" (NSPOSIXErrorDomain:28)".


Pages load fine in Chrome. This problem is new since "upgrading" to Monterey.


What's up?

Mac mini, macOS 12.1

Posted on Dec 22, 2021 2:27 PM

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Posted on Dec 25, 2021 8:07 AM

Hi Yale Linguist,


"The convenience of using Safari (mainly iCloud integration) isn't worth giving up the anti-virus software..."


"an update of that (Trend Micro antivirus) has caused the problem to go away, at least for now."


You now have experience with what P. Phillips is pointing out.


Running anti-virus software on your Mac can "cause havoc and interfere with the normal operation of the OS".


It is hard to accept, but as stated, "The Built in Security is all that is required." Here is a link (https://macmost.com/the-practical-guide-to-mac-security-part-9-do-you-need-anti-virus-software.html) to a bit more info on the subject. Certainly worth a few minutes to ponder. If, in the end, you can't get beyond the idea of having 3rd party anti-virus installed, I highly suggest that you use Malwarebytes instead. There is a great video here where the designer of Malwarebytes for Mac is interviewed. I ran their paid app on my Mac for a good while, with zero issues, until I finally bought into the idea that 3rd party just isn't necessary, and can in fact cause more problems than good.

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Dec 25, 2021 8:07 AM in response to Yale Linguist

Hi Yale Linguist,


"The convenience of using Safari (mainly iCloud integration) isn't worth giving up the anti-virus software..."


"an update of that (Trend Micro antivirus) has caused the problem to go away, at least for now."


You now have experience with what P. Phillips is pointing out.


Running anti-virus software on your Mac can "cause havoc and interfere with the normal operation of the OS".


It is hard to accept, but as stated, "The Built in Security is all that is required." Here is a link (https://macmost.com/the-practical-guide-to-mac-security-part-9-do-you-need-anti-virus-software.html) to a bit more info on the subject. Certainly worth a few minutes to ponder. If, in the end, you can't get beyond the idea of having 3rd party anti-virus installed, I highly suggest that you use Malwarebytes instead. There is a great video here where the designer of Malwarebytes for Mac is interviewed. I ran their paid app on my Mac for a good while, with zero issues, until I finally bought into the idea that 3rd party just isn't necessary, and can in fact cause more problems than good.

Dec 26, 2021 7:14 AM in response to Yale Linguist

Hi Yale Linguist,


I found the info below, specific to your error message, on the Apple Developers forum:


"I found this thread on Apple Discussions: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253301197

It seems folks are finding that disabling "Hide IP address from trackers" is an effective workaround for now."


On a side note, uninstalling an AV package can be involved, given how deeply they drive their tentacles on the OS. Even if the uninstall went swimmingly, I would be tempted to run Trend Micro's uninstall tool just to be sure the deep stuff is gone.

https://helpcenter.trendmicro.com/en-us/article/TMKA-14475

Dec 25, 2021 7:26 AM in response to Yale Linguist

Are there any AntiVirus, Disk Cleaner, Optimizers, Un-installers, etc installed which should be removed as per Developers Instructions. They are useless, unneeded, cause havoc and interfere with the normal operation of the OS and may even Corrupt the OS requiring a Reinstallation. The The Built in Security  is all that is required.


There are no known Windows-like Viruses in the wild that self replicate and affect macOS, because of the underling UNIX  Foundation and Permission Limitation. 


So one is paying money for a Non Existing issue affecting macOS. The only real protection this software is protecting the Bank Account of the Developers of this software.


https://discussions.apple.com/search?q=trend%20antivirus&page=1&content=filterDiscussions


Dec 25, 2021 8:56 AM in response to Yale Linguist

Hi Yale Linguist,


"Yale requires your Windows or Mac computer to run antivirus (AV) software." - Well, there you go then! 😊


Of the three options you mention, I have seen Sophos recommended, specific to the Mac, in a few places. With that said, if you are not locked into one of those three, and have a choice, I would still steer you toward Malwarebytes as a solution.


The approach that Malwarebytes takes is altogether different than any other AV product. I ran it on Windows machines, in a corporate IT environment, for years. Likewise at home on my personal Windows machines. As such, that was my choice when I first switched to the Mac. Over the past four decades of IT experience, I have used all of the mainstream solutions at one time or another. Malwarebytes has long been THE goto for cleaning infections that got past other AV products. When Malwarebytes created their active AV product, versus just the scanner, it was a no-brainer for me.

Dec 25, 2021 9:34 AM in response to Yale Linguist

Yale Linguist wrote:

Perhaps as you say "the built in security is all that is required". However, "To keep you safe, Yale requires your Windows or Mac computer to run antivirus (AV) software. Antivirus must be running before connecting to the Yale network. This includes our wired, wireless, and VPN networks. AV software will help protect your computer from viruses and malware." I can't reconstruct just why I originally installed Trend Micro (years ago), but the options currently recommended by Yale ITS for Macs are Avast, AVG, and Sophos. I'm looking into replacing Trend Micro with one of these. I'll be grateful for any comparisons people can offer, but please, no more "you shouldn't install any anti-virus software" recommendations.


With this additional and important information-hand, it is apparent the issue is not an Apple Computer or Apple Software being the root cause of the computer issues. As such, there is only advise that can be offered at this point.


Live with this situation the Policy Makers and IT Department of Yale has created.


Or, take the computer to them and have them fix the issue they have created.


Further, not a good outlook for such a Renowned Place Of Learning to still be thinking Only MS Windows.

Dec 27, 2021 10:38 AM in response to TrafGib

Thanks for pointing me to this, which would seem to confirm my impression that Trend Micro was not the only problem. I had no trouble running Trend's uninstaller, and applied the workaround suggested in the thread you indicated. For whatever combination of reasons, the problem has gone away and pages load in Safari.

I do think there's something Apple needs to fix in Safari.

Dec 27, 2021 10:50 AM in response to Yale Linguist

"Thanks for pointing me to this..." - No worries. Glad it resolved your issue.


"I do think there's something Apple needs to fix in Safari." - Something particular in mind?


In general, I have very few issues with Safari. From what I can tell, those I do have stem from web designers building around what happens to work in Chrome as opposed to proper HTML/CSS design specs. Open issue with my eCommerce developer right now for exactly that.

Dec 29, 2021 12:59 PM in response to TrafGib

Alas, the problem isn't solved. I have completely uninstalled Trend Micro, and have not installed any other anti-virus software. I have disabled "Hide IP address from trackers". For a while things were OK, but today the problem has come back, and after running Safari for a while I once again get the error "Safari Can't Open the Page -- Safari can't open the page. The error is: "The operation couldn't be completed. No space left on device" (NSPOSIXErrorDomain:28)". Quitting and restarting Safari fixes it for a while, but not permanently. Firefox and Chrome work fine and don't apparently tickle the problem.

This really does seem to be a Safari issue, arising for me with the upgrade from Big Sur (where I never had a problem) to Monterey. And it doesn't seem to be something provoked by anti-virus software.

Dec 25, 2021 8:44 AM in response to Owl-53

Perhaps as you say "the built in security is all that is required". However, "To keep you safe, Yale requires your Windows or Mac computer to run antivirus (AV) software. Antivirus must be running before connecting to the Yale network. This includes our wired, wireless, and VPN networks. AV software will help protect your computer from viruses and malware." I can't reconstruct just why I originally installed Trend Micro (years ago), but the options currently recommended by Yale ITS for Macs are Avast, AVG, and Sophos. I'm looking into replacing Trend Micro with one of these. I'll be grateful for any comparisons people can offer, but please, no more "you shouldn't install any anti-virus software" recommendations.

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