Why "login items" notifications pop up while there's no app listed on startup or background?

I deleted and inactivated all the apps in System Preferences/General/Login Items but "Login Items" notifications keep popping up. There is no app info in the notifications. Just says "Login Items"...


What and why is that?

MacBook Air 13″, macOS 13.1

Posted on Dec 13, 2022 4:12 PM

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Posted on Nov 25, 2023 3:37 PM

Jay Gamel wrote:

... What I would like to know is why apple cannot identify the offending app and include it in the notice. Obviously, the warnings are issued on a specific instance related to a specific app.


You're right, but identifying the app in question can become very challenging, particularly for apps that a user installed under the guise of something "free" — for example, products specifically designed to harvest personal information and / or deliver targeted interest-based advertisements that accrue revenue simply by loading a webpage.


People have been plucking that poison fruit for years, but the creeping incremental nature of such things appears to have motivated Apple to finally Do something!!!™ exactly as users have been clamoring for them to do, and for at least that long.


Well, guess what? They got what they asked for. Apple's implementation of it is imperfect, but if I had a better idea I'd be sure to recommend it. Or, I'd develop it myself.


Which brings us to:


I am not a programmer so I don't understand what prevents the app ID from being recorded and reported.


Mac users are not expected to be programmers. They aren't even expected to know much about computers or anything else of a technical nature. They just want to use their magical Apple stuff and not have it get in the way of doing whatever it is they need them for.


So, what about inexplicable annoyances regarding mysterious login items, or intrusive dialogs like "<suspicious_app> may damage your Mac" that result as a consequence of a Mac user installing something they may have long since forgotten about?


Fortunately, some of us are programmers and are very good at it. EtreCheck can help identify what those apps may be, and will help others suggest what to examine and / or delete at the user's discretion. To learn how to use it and how to post its report in a reply to this Discussion or any other, please read How to use the Add Text Feature When Posting Large Amounts of Text, i.e. an Etrecheck Report - Apple Community.


By the way I have not read all nine pages of this Discussion. If EtreCheck was recommended elsewhere I wouldn't know. When a Discussion gets this long and convoluted few people will be sufficiently motivated to study it in any depth, so if it was already suggested it's probably a good idea to reiterate it anyway.

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Feb 13, 2023 10:21 AM in response to teachereck

I feel the same way. I used to like Apple because I was not bombarded with notifications. I felt in control, but, now, notifications pop up everywhere and it does not matter that I turn them off completely. Nothing matters anymore, notifications will notify you of nonsense everywhere (iphone, mac, etc) all the time. We’ve lost control. I am sad to leave Apple, but I have no choice at this point.

Feb 13, 2023 11:27 AM in response to lresendi

I'm not sure that the grass is greener on Android or Windows.

MacOS/iOS are very stable, and this is a huge benefit, that I would not sacrifice so quickly ...


And frankly, beside this login item issue, we really are in control of notifications.

I almost always refuse notifications from apps that I install (and iOS always ask if notifications have to be enabled).


Feb 14, 2023 1:25 AM in response to vanessaarroyo

Well for me upgrading to Ventura 13.2.1 didn't change anything.

I still got notifications after my login for each of the app for which I had disabled "Allow in the Background" in the login items.

I had more notifications, for some these apps, when I opened the Login Items page in System Settings.


As far as I am concerned, this is not fixed!


Notifications for Login Items (including the items in the "Allow in the Background") should work as follows:

  • when an app install a new login/background item, we should get a notification to confirm whether we want to disable this item (not always the case as far as I am concerned)
  • we should not get notifications related to a item after it has been disabled
  • when an item takes a long time and slow the computer, we should get a notification to ask whether we want to disable it
  • Apple should require developers to include a description for each item explaining why it is useful, and the consequences of disabling it. If the description is missing, or not helpful, enable users to report the login item. Have a blacklist of login items which are disabled by default based on this user feedback (and review of the description).
  • The most frequent case of Background Item is to check for application update. For these items, we should be able to manage the frequency of the check from this list
  • Shell scripts appear with only their filename and "Item from unidentified developer", while they are actually part of an application package! they should be displayed as part of the application
  • Applications may install several items, however there is no way to view the details. There should be a dropbox to enable to view items individually, and disable/enable them at the item level instead of application level.




Feb 23, 2023 12:31 PM in response to krypttic

krypttic wrote:

I'm getting these stupid "Google Updater" notifications on my screen now, even during Keynote presentations--even though I have "Allow notifications when mirroring or sharing the display" is turned off. This is distracting from my presentations at work and annoying during the rest of the day. How can I turn these notifications off??

Uninstall Goolag Updater.

Mar 14, 2023 4:13 PM in response to etresoft

Since the loss of Jobs, Apple's goin downhill faster than Ivan Origone, Even the clerks at the local Mac store agreed on this (I went in to get a upgrade on my Crapple TV, which should be doable at home. The Crapple phone techs, awesome folks btw some of whom I'm getting to be on a first name basis with since I have to call so often, couldn't figure it out, so I had to take it to the app store to get it done). In any case,


Login items notifications: In my case, it was a Google issue. I found it using a piece of cleaning software (when I mention the name of the software, which helps magnificently in keeping my Macs up and running smooth, the Crapple Community crew deletes my comment, so you'll have to figure it out). I ended up using the cleaning app and also deleting everything Google, and problem solved. Still working on other various vomitations, but this one is solved!

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