I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?
Pages-OTHER, Mac OS X (10.7)
As far as I know, given was is available here and there in French forums, Moutain brings no change upon this feature.
Just one more app dropping Save As… (Scripts Editor) 😉
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 28 février 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
You are not the exception, John, Unfortunately, neither are the people who are defending Apple just for the sake of pride, arrogance, whatever ....
There's an expression I like: "When one candle lights another, it loses nothing of itself." Regrettably, there are those in this discussion who seem to prefer blowing out other people's candles for which they get nothing in return.
Not one person bemoaning the disappearance of Save As has suggested the Apple discontinue its new auto-save systems. We have only asked for the restoration of something that would deny no amount of forward progress to those who want to use it. Arguably, over time, people would experiment with, and use, the features of both.
I am particularly sensitive to your commends about freezing your "other systems" because mine has been a lone voice on the subject of the costs of confusion incurred by organizations which must support multiple users.
Amen to that Dennis. Again, I've switched to using Microsoft products on my Mac because they still incorporate 'save as'. I don't seem to understand why it has to be one or the other (autosave vs SA) but I couldn't agree more with keeping the drumbeat alive. I can not reiteriate it enough, that there are some functions that people who use Macs for business require. I understand the desire to present a seamless enduser experience for consumer products, to have the computer do more while you think less, but for those like myself who try to champion Macs to the small business community, it is tough to try and explain away features like 'save as' nor do I want to.
I will continue to voice my concern over the matter as I have yet to hear an arguement justifying the omission of save as that holds weight to my concerns.
HI. I am back again.Gunner and Dennis... I agree with you both. The best way to fight this is to walk out the apple door and use other apps.
I have now purchased NEOOFFICE for £6. they offer both Versions and save as. they have included a new option in their menu(below the about neooffice)) to turn OSX (pages and numbers etc.) features on or off including versions, resume and other other new features.
I have started to send emails to other suppliers of word processors etc. saying that I am looking for a products to replace apple software as I want the option to choose versions and/or save as.
a reply came back from one saying they have save as in their product but have always saved versions after a certain amount of time.
I also sent emails to apple re numbers and pages asking for the features to be restored.Pointed out I am looking for alternate software.
I also think those who try to be moderators must be less opiniated and should listen to what users want.
As an IT professionals(former) we must deliver what the customer wants or else he will find someone who will.
cheers elo
Hi: new mountain lion announcements...
who knows what this really does to SAVE AS
cheers...
Hahahahaha!!! That's hilarious!
The changes to Mountain Lion title bars also make it easier for non technical users to understand how to safely duplicate an existing document when they don't want to change the original, enhancing the experience of working with Version-enabled, Auto Save files.
Gosh, and to think we've already had a way to do that for over 20 years with Save As.
What am I supposed to do with this? Show my accountant my 'versions' of autosave when I'm sending over my invoices at tax time?
I know there are ways to acheive what I want under the current system, but it requires way more work than simply clicking 'save as' and labelling my invoice by date or number or however I please to do it. Why should I browse through versions, find the one I want somehow and then print it, and then find the next one and the next. It makes my head want to explode!
Save As. Microsoft Excel 2011. I've made my template for it and now use save as and am happy.
I went to the software market to address my probelm and the competition (Microsoft) solved it by providing me the easiest solution. But before that I came to this forum to see if there was an Apple based solution and I haven't found one. Only people who agree with me or people with insanely complicated workarounds.
You are supposed to learn what is becoming the rule.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 28 février 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
Since I first posted my own frustration with the lack of "Save As" I have been so pleased to see I am in good company, although sorry for us all. As a non-techie this is truly a frustrating thing for me. I use my Macs in both home and business environments and I simply move too fast to try to figure out something that was once so very simple.
I am thrilled to see Mountain Lion making a change but I agree with Kurt - a 20 year old simple process has been made just too ridiculously complex. From the industry and, supposedly, company so focused on the user experience this is just nuts! Don't they have user labs to see how users will react to changes???
Like some other posters here I have voiced my concerns to Apple AND I have, very reluctantly, started using the MS counterpart programs. It is easier for me to use the MS programs as I already have enough business issues to sort out to make the time it will take to get used to the Apple programs. Until Mountain Lion comes along, to be sure I do not lose data, I will continue to use the MS programs. I just cannot afford any mistakes.
And, Yvan, I know the new process is all very clear to you and I am happy for you for that. But, clearly, you represent a minority of users who "get it". I sometimes can't even follow your explanations! I am not an IT person, nor should I have to be to be able to use a program that was once so simple.
Oh so totally agree, Dyan!
I am happy for Yvan, too, as he seems to get the whole Versions and Auto Save thing. I am so totally in the "I don't get it!" group, and just so happy that I did not, or have to yet, upgrade to Lion!!
Maybe, the Apple folks will get it, maybe, just maybe. I would really like that. One can hope.
I may just repeat that You didn't paid to design the apps. Just to use what Apple is delivering.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 28 février 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
I may just repeat that You didn't paid to design the apps.
Have you never, in your entire life, heard of such a thing as customer feedback?
Have you never, in your entire life, seen a company change things according to that feedback?
If so, I sure would be interested in learning what planet you're participating in these forums from.
Yvan.
you are so wrong!! I paid for numbers and pages and have every time a new version came out. But not any more until this gets fixed.
I think I will go back to excel and word. I still have the disc's from both of the original version 1's back in the dark ages. guess they are no good anymore. But will now buy the new Office 2011.
to all of you keep up the battle....
If you still have warranty.. call and complain that the software does not work properly anymore.. complain complain complain.
It is almost as if Apple is starting do what Microsoft did when they became to big..... and controlled a certain sector of the market.
cheers Elo
I am not sure if I am more upset with apple or yvan
I will not reproduce them one more time, I repeat that what you write doesn't match the terms of the Licence which you accepted when you installed the applications.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 28 février 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
I repeat that I earnt my life during 30 years selling my potteries.
If a customer had the very bad idea to tell me « would be fine to change this or that », he was instantaneously kicked out of the shop.
As far as I know, Vallauris is on the same planet than the USA.
Since 1943/12/31, I'm pig headed and I will not change now.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 28 février 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k
What happened to Save As?
