I use pages for my work invoices and have a pretty comprehensive filing for previous invoices. The omission of 'save as' in the lion version of pages is extremely frustrating. Is there a work around? Will they fix this in the future or should I switch to a microsoft excel worksheet?
Pages-OTHER, Mac OS X (10.7)
As always, I tested before answering.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
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It seems that my wording was not clear.
When the app « see » that it's running under 10.6, it exec the old fashioned code.
When it « see » that it's running under 10.7 or higher, it exec the new code.
It's what is done by GraphicConvert according to its dedicated preference which is visible (UI available).
It's what is done by Pixelmator according to its dedicated preference which is hidden (no UI available).
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
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My job as tester is not this one.
I check the French localization which alas contain a huge number of spelling and Grammar error.
I don't check the technical aspects.
They are numerous beta testers doing that but not to check the localization.
I apologize but this message is my last one (at least for some weeks).
If I don't do that, I will be banned for a week.
From my point of view, trying to explain that you are wrong is less interesting than helping users which are facing true problems so I leave you.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
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KOENIG Yvan wrote:
It seems that my wording was not clear.
When the app « see » that it's running under 10.6, it exec the old fashioned code.
When it « see » that it's running under 10.7 or higher, it exec the new code.
It's what is done by GraphicConvert according to its dedicated preference which is visible (UI available).
It's what is done by Pixelmator according to its dedicated preference which is hidden (no UI available).
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
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Yvan,
Don't leave yet. One last question.
It seems from what you said above that there is no technical reason why the preference option we are requesting could not easily be provided in any app?
Hi:
quickly.. just fired up 10.6.8 then ran both pages and the numbers apps from my 10.7.03 disc...
worked with save as....no versions....
that means as I said earlier the code is there.
could someone try the terminal instructions i mentioned earlier to turn off autosave for pages and numbers...
something is there....
sounds like science fiction...
cheers... elo
elo...
Numbers '09 v4.0.x (x=3 in this case), running under Tiger. Not quite the same version.
Posted to answer Dennis's implied question regarding keystroke shortcut to Save as... in pre-Lion versions.
Regards,
Barry
that means as I said earlier the code is there.
Correct. There's really nothing different about it other than if the latest version of iWorks detects it is running under Lion, you are forced to use Duplicate/Versions/Autosave. And Save As, or the ability to turn Duplicate/Versions/Autosave off is not allowed as a user choice.
It's a completely, arbitrarily forced workflow.
markinbali wrote:
Don't leave yet. One last question.
It seems from what you said above that there is no technical reason why the preference option we are requesting could not easily be provided in any app?
Hello
The codes are in the applications.
As I wrote, I may explain what is doing what but I can't explain why Apple made this or that choice.
Here, we have the old code because the apps must be able to run under old systems.
Apple choose to make the new features permanent and only Apple may give the exact explanation of their choice.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
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elol wrote:
that means as I said earlier the code is there.
could someone try the terminal instructions i mentioned earlier to turn off autosave for pages and numbers...
I already told you that I tested !
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
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In fact I tested immediately after reading that Pixelmator delivered the feature.
From my point of view, the way the feature is delivered in GraphicConvert is more honest (or fair) than the Pixelmator one.
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
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KOENIG Yvan wrote:
From my point of view, the way the feature is delivered in GraphicConvert is more honest (or fair) than the Pixelmator one.
How can it be fair? It's against the rules! 😉
I much prefer Pixelmator way: no Autosaving, no Duplicating, no Locking, just good plain Save As.
GraphicConvert breaks the rules but do that the visible way.
PixelMator hide the trick like a thief. In French we describe that by : « faire un enfant dans le dos »
Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) lundi 30 avril 2012
iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3
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Hi: raftr
what did you do?
I cannot get it to work on either of my machines. ie the test version...
could you re post the commands.....
I have used terminnal many times and success. bu this time no go..
elo
KOENIG Yvan wrote:
Apple choose to make the new features permanent and only Apple may give the exact explanation of their choice.
The explanation is simple: big strategic decision to try and get iOS and OSX closer because it is a natural direction for them to become one someday in the future.
iOS always saves app state on closing. Many apps, like text editors, don't even have a "save" option, they just save automatically and resume the last state on launch.
Autosave and Resume follow Apple mobile paradigms. But… this is where problems begin. Because the decision came from a political/strategic standpoint, not user experience one, everything that follows is an afterthought.
You close an app. Old app asks you what to do with open files. New app just closes and Autosaves.
Autosave means destruction of the original version, so there is a need for Versions to store the old one. Where to store Versions? Who knows, let's put them in root folder. It's not like anyone is going to ever use it.
What if someone opens an old file and doesn't want changes saved? Let's lock the file for them. When? It's not important, maybe two weeks? OK, let's make it two weeks, as good as any.
What? They want to make edits and not overwrite the original? Who does that? Let's think of something… will duplicating work? Let's make those files duplicate, problem sorted.
And so on, and so on… afterthoughts and yards of duct-tape to conform to the main "make it like iOS" decision. Add the state of uncertainty and urgency Apple was under when this was happening… and here we are.
Thing is, the new paradigm doesn't work. Not even in iOS in many cases. Well it does work for some apps like text editors, as I said.
But… take any photo editing app on iPhone—Instagram, CameraBag or whatever. Open a picture, edit, save. The edited image is Saved As a NEW image. Original is always preserved. What just happened, was mobile version of Save As (only the name was generated automatically). Destructive editing without overwriting of the original file and without duplicating. No versioning, just saving as a new output file, as common sense says it would be.
Not wishing to put a 'spanner in the works' here in this discussion about 'Save As' but this new disliked autosave paradigm is causing other problems for me. Is anyone finding it annoying that the last auto saved version is popping up when the application is opened?
I'm used to telling the application what I want opened. I had a PC friend over the other day and was showing him my Mac; went to open Pages and up popped a file that I had not wanted to show him (personal business). It was the last file I had used on the Pages programme.
Is this auto 'pop up' avoidable as it can be embarrassing?
What happened to Save As?
