iMac 27 inch 5k late 2015 runs laggy and slow

I have a new iMac 27 inch 5k that runs very laggy and slow especially with drawing apps, but overall it feels laggy and slow. Typing and selecting, Finder, drawing, opening apps etc etc... I frustrates the **** of me, because i use the iMac for work and i didn't pay a lot of money for a Mac that runs slow as my old mid 2010 Macbook Pro, ridiculous! Typing this is a hassle, selecting and place the cursor feels like a Mac out of 2001. Does anyone know why this is happening? Is it El Capitan, i've read that lot of people had problems with the update.


These are the things that i have done since i have the iMac in chronicle order:

  1. Migration from my old Macbook Pro for my documents etc. done successfull
  2. Installed Apps mainly Adobe and some font related apps
  3. Updated OS X to El Capitan 10.11.2
  4. Setup Apple Mail etc.
  5. Customized the overall preferences for Finder, Icons info desktop etc. normal stuff
  6. Setup Time Machine and did a backup


Things i did to solve the problem chronicle order:

  1. Reset the SMC (didn't solve the problem)
  2. Reset the NVRAM (didn't solve the problem)
  3. Run Apple Diagnostics (no hardware problems where found)


Specs:

  • iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, late 2015)
  • 4 GHz Intel Core i7
  • 8 GB 1867 MHz DDR3
  • AMD Radeon R9 M395X 4096 MB
  • 1 TB Flash storage

Posted on Jan 5, 2016 12:59 AM

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Jan 5, 2016 4:57 PM in response to krijnpalm

Hello krijnpalm,

Most of the problems people report with El Capitan involve upgrading older machines that don't have enough RAM and have old, mechanical hard drives. Your new machine has 8 GB RAM and an SSD. It shouldn't have any problem. You ran EtreCheck in 1 minute 19 seconds. That is about as fast as it gets.


From what you describe, things are much slower when you are actually interacting with the system. I think JimmyCMPIT had the right idea. When you migrated your files from the old machine, it brought along some low-level system modifications. One of those is the RIM BlackBerry driver that JimmyCMPIT mentioned. Another is a Logitech driver. You seem to be describing problems selecting text, so perhaps the Logitech software is interfering. You may be able to reinstall the latest version later, after you confirm or eliminate the RIM and/or Logitech software as the culprit.


And as macjack suggests, you seem to have some adware installed. The "spigot" software is something that is normally flagged as adware. Download and run MalwareBytes for Mac and see if it wants to remove that software.


You have some low-level domain redirects in your /etc/hosts file. Again, this may be something carried over from the old system. There are a few legitimate reasons for editing that file, but lots of not-so-legitimate reasons. I suggest restoring it using instructions found in this User Tip: Fixing a hacked /etc/hosts file


Finally, you have Gatekeeper turned off. The only reason to turn that off is because someone has scammed you into it.

Jan 6, 2016 1:45 AM in response to etresoft

Thank you for your useful input! I have some questions. I did a Migration from my old Macbook Pro, but i deselect the program and system files to be migrated. And it is weird that Apple let that happen if it mess-up the system performances. Again it is possible that something has to do with that. I never used a Blackberry. Where can i find the RIM Blackberry driver to remove it? Logitech is running the newest driver and although sluggishness i don't think that it is related to the mouse driver. I removed the 'Spigot' software with MalwareBytes thanks for that. I had the same hosts file in my old Macbook Pro with no problems so it can't be that 😉 So frustrating...

Jan 6, 2016 4:19 AM in response to krijnpalm

I was thinking that is has to do with my /user/library/ don't know what and why, but just i login my guest account and use the same programs for 30 min. or so to be sure and everything feels snappier as it supposed to be. I use for example GlyphsApp for drawing typefaces and selecting, zooming and overall performance also Safari is must faster and feels normal again. So next question would be can i rebuild my library or setup a new user account and transfer all my documents, music, films and files? Any suggestions or help would be appreciated!

Jan 6, 2016 5:06 AM in response to krijnpalm

I haven't ever had a RIM device or added something related to that

But you did:

/System/Library/Extensions

[loaded] com.Logitech.Control Center.HID Driver (3.3.0) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryUSBDriverInt (0.0.39) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.rim.driver.BlackBerryUSBDriverVSP (0.0.39) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.wacom.kext.wacomtablet (6.3.11 - SDK 10.10) [Click for support]

I doubt it is causing the problems you are seeing, though. Normally, you would use the Uninstaller provided by RIM to remove things like that.


Some people have reported problems with Logitech drivers--make sure they are updated and Logitech says they are compatible with El Capitan.

I stopped buying Logitech hardware years ago because they're drivers were always problematic.


Your biggest problem is that you installed Spigot Adware. Here are instructions for removing it: http://www.thesafemac.com/arg-spigot/

You can also use the tool that the author of that article created to remove Adware: https://www.malwarebytes.org/antimalware/mac/

Jan 6, 2016 5:14 AM in response to Barney-15E

I didn't seen that at first in the report, but i removed the RIM drivers it didn't help so far i think. Spigot i already removed with MalwareBytes. I always use Logitech since 2003 i think never had any problem with it. Love the performance mouses over those from Apple. I think that with the migration the library from my old Macbook Pro is causing some sluggish problems. Think of rebuilding library though setting up new user account, but i want to be sure that i can take over my documents/files from the account that i have and not messing up the Time Machine backup name so it continues as normal. Hope someone can give some input on that.

Jan 6, 2016 7:03 AM in response to krijnpalm

Hello again krijnpalm,

There are a number of other categories in the migration that caused these files to be migrated. When you are trying to do diagnostics, you don't have the option assuming anything is blameless. All the advice we give you to remove this software or that driver is simply because that is easier than erasing your hard drive and reinstalling the OS from scratch, without migrating anything. That is really the only guaranteed way to determine if 3rd party software is at fault.


You can still do that, but it will take hours of work. You can uninstall 3rd party software in a few minutes and hopefully that will give you the same answer. If not, then you might need to do the erase and reinstall. For these low-level, hidden files, the only safe way to remove them is with the vendor-provided uninstaller or uninstallation instructions. Never try to delete these files by hand. Never use an "app zapper".


And in fact, the Logitech software is the one you need to remove. The RIM drivers aren't actually loaded. That doesn't necessarily mean anything though. They could get loaded when you plug in a device, corrupt your OS, and then get unloaded. Kernel extensions aren't like regular software. They can corrupt anything and everything. They don't have to be currently loaded to have already done damage. Same goes for the Wacom drivers. I don't think they are at fault because Wacom has a good reputation. But you're not here to prop up anyone's reputation. You are here to figure out what is wrong with your Mac. Uninstall the Wacom drivers too. It doesn't matter in the least that all of this software worked fine on any other machine in the world. The same goes for the hosts file. To diagnose this problem, it must be stored to the factory version.


Another step to take is creating a new user account and logging in to that account. If there is a software conflict that involves just your user account, this procedure would show that.


Once you have eliminated any system configuration issues or 3rd party system modifications, if your machine still misbehaves, you may need to take it back to the Apple Store.

Jan 6, 2016 7:15 AM in response to krijnpalm

Hello again krijnpalm,

Did you make sure to restart after removing the adware? You also have the Linotype font folder protector software running under that user account.


You can always copy your documents to /Users/Shared and then in a new account copy them to where they should be. There is still a lot of data that could be stored inside your Library folder. If that folder is corrupt, there is no way to fix it without taking a risk of making it even more corrupt. If I gave you such a suggestion, then it would be my responsibility to fix it. 😟

Jan 6, 2016 7:47 AM in response to krijnpalm

1. This procedure is a diagnostic test. It changes nothing, for better or worse, and therefore will not, in itself, solve the problem. But with the aid of the test results, the solution may take a few minutes, instead of hours or days.

The test works on OS X 10.7 ("Lion") and later. I don't recommend running it on older versions of OS X. It will do no harm, but it won't do much good either.

Don't be put off by the complexity of these instructions. The process is much less complicated than the description. You do harder tasks with the computer all the time.

2. If you don't already have a current backup, please back up all data before doing anything else. The backup is necessary on general principle, not because of anything in the test procedure. Backup is always a must, and when you're having any kind of trouble with the computer, you may be at higher than usual risk of losing data, whether you follow these instructions or not.

There are ways to back up a computer that isn't fully functional. Ask if you need guidance.

3. Below are instructions to run a UNIX shell script, a type of program. As I wrote above, it changes nothing. It doesn't send or receive any data on the network. All it does is to generate a human-readable report on the state of the computer. That report goes nowhere unless you choose to share it. If you prefer, you can act on it yourself without disclosing the contents to me or anyone else.

You should be wondering whether you can believe me, and whether it's safe to run a program at the behest of a stranger. In general, no, it's not safe and I don't encourage it.

In this case, however, there are ways for you to decide whether the program is safe without having to trust me. First, you can read it. Unlike an application that you download and click to run, it's transparent, so anyone with the requisite skill can verify what it does.

You may not be able to understand the script yourself. But variations of it have been posted on this website thousands of times over a period of years. The site is hosted by Apple, which does not allow it to be used to distribute harmful software. Any one of the millions of registered users could have read the script and raised the alarm if it was harmful. Then I would not be here now and you would not be reading this message. See, for example, this discussion.

Another indication that the test is safe can be found in this thread, and this one, for example, where the comment in which I suggested it was recommended by one of the Apple Community Specialists, as explained here.

Nevertheless, if you can't satisfy yourself that these instructions are safe, don't follow them. Ask for other options.

4. Here's a general summary of what you need to do, if you choose to proceed:

☞ Copy a particular line of text to the Clipboard.

☞ Paste into the window of another application.

☞ Wait for the test to run. It usually takes a few minutes.

☞ Paste the results, which will have been copied automatically, back into a reply on this page.

These are not specific instructions; just an overview. The details are in parts 7 and 8 of this comment. The sequence is: copy, paste, wait, paste again. You don't need to copy a second time.

5. Try to test under conditions that reproduce the problem, as far as possible. For example, if the computer is intermittently slow, run the test during a slowdown.

You may have started up in safe mode. If the system is now in safe mode and works well enough in normal mode to run the test, restart as usual before running it. If you can only test in safe mode, do that.

6. If you have more than one user, and only one user is affected by the problem,, and the affected user is not an administrator, then please run the test twice: once while logged in as the affected user, and once as an administrator. The results may be different. The user that is created automatically on a new computer when you start it for the first time is an administrator. If you can't log in as an administrator, test as the affected user. Most personal Macs have only one user, and in that case this section doesn’t apply. Don't log in as root.

7. Load this linked web page (on the website "Pastebin.") Press the key combination command-A to select all the text, then copy it to the Clipboard by pressing command-C.

8. Launch the built-in Terminal application in any one of the following ways:

☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)

☞ In the Finder, select Go ▹ Utilities from the menu bar, or press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.

☞ Open LaunchPad and start typing the name.

Click anywhere in the Terminal window to activate it. Paste from the Clipboard into the window by pressing command-V, then press return. The text you pasted should vanish immediately.

9. If you're logged in as an administrator, you'll be prompted for your login password. Nothing will be displayed when you type it. You will not see the usual dots in place of typed characters. Make sure caps lock is off. Type carefully and then press return. You may get a one-time warning to be careful. If you make three failed attempts to enter the password, the test will run anyway, but it will produce less information. If you don't know the password, or if you prefer not to enter it, just press return three times at the password prompt. Again, the script will still run.

If the test is taking much longer than usual to run because the computer is very slow, you might be prompted for your password a second time. The authorization that you grant by entering it expires automatically after five minutes.

If you're not logged in as an administrator, you won't be prompted for a password. The test will still run. It just won't do anything that requires administrator privileges.

10. The test may take a few minutes to run, depending on how many files you have and the speed of the computer. A computer that's abnormally slow may take longer to run the test. While it's running, a series of lines will appear in the Terminal window like this:

Test started

Part 1 of 4 done at: … sec

Part 4 of 4 done at: … sec

The test results are on the Clipboard.

Please close this window.

The intervals between parts won't be exactly equal, but they give a rough indication of progress.

Wait for the final message "Please close this window" to appear. If you don't see it within about 15 minutes, the test probably won't complete in a reasonable time. In that case, press the key combination control-C or command-period to stop it. Then go to the next step. You'll have incomplete results, but still something. If you close the Terminal window while the test is still running, the partial results won't be saved and you'll have to start over.

11. When the test is complete, or if you stopped it because it was taking too long, quit Terminal. The results will have been saved to the Clipboard automatically. They are not shown in the Terminal window. Please don't copy anything from there. All you have to do is start a reply to this comment and then paste by pressing command-V again.

At the top of the results, there will be a line that begins with the words "Start time." If you don't see that, but instead see a mass of gibberish, you didn't wait for the "close this window" message. Please wait for it and try again.

If any private information, such as your name or email address, appears in the results, anonymize it before posting. Usually that won't be necessary.

12. When you post the results, you might see an error message on the web page: "You have included content in your post that is not permitted," or "The message contains invalid characters." That's a bug in the software that runs this website. Please post the test results on Pastebin, then post a link here to the page you created.

If you have an account on Pastebin, please don't select Private from the Paste Exposure menu on the page, because then no one but you will be able to see it.

13. This is a public forum, and others may give you advice based on the results of the test. They speak for themselves, not for me. The test itself is harmless, but whatever else you're told to do may not be. For others who choose to run it, I don't recommend that you post the test results on this website unless I asked you to.

14. The linked UNIX shell script bears a notice of copyright. Readers of ASC may copy it for their own personal use. Neither the whole nor any part may be redistributed.

Jan 6, 2016 8:04 AM in response to etresoft

I always restart if i remove or uninstall and i'm running FontExplorer X Pro for my fonts i doing this for years (1gb of fonts stored separately in a folder, so it doesn't conflict with the system fonts). I'll try to uninstall my wacom and Logitech drivers and look if that would help. Sometimes apps don't have a uninstaller and than i use AppCleaner, it is a small useful app that searches files that you otherwise miss if you do it by hand. I don't think that there is a major problem, because when i am login in my guest account everything looks snappy and normal speed wise, i didn't spend a long time there yet first min hour playtime there to be sure. And Apple Diagnostics came out clear without any problems. So that made me think that is has to be related within my User/Library from my admin account (Migration etc). You say copy my documents to Shared folder, but i saw this on the internet isn't that a better way: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/108559/is-it-possible-to-rebuild-the-li brary-folder-completely

(First solved reaction). I already did a Time Machine backup so if i would change User account with exact the same setup of User Name will it go further with my existing backups? I freak out if something will go wrong with my documents (work related) so i want to be 110% sure before i do something.

Jan 6, 2016 8:08 AM in response to krijnpalm

Hello again krijnpalm,

I took another look at your log file output and it revealed something that EtreCheck didn't report. You have been running a "clean up" program. I'm afraid that trumps other diagnostics.


The only recommendation I can give you now is to erase your hard drive and reinstall the operating system. You should be able to migrate only user documents back to the machine - nothing else. Then manually reinstall any 3rd party software you need. Make sure you know how to uninstall each package before you start in case it causes problems. Your log output also indicated some problems with the Wacom software. Combined with your Gatekeeper setting and that hosts file, I suspect there could be other low-level system modifications. You've had six years to hack around on the old machine.


If you continue to have problems with this account, then you will have to do as I described above and create a new account and manually copy all files other than those in the "Library" folder.


It is possible that someone could come along with some command-line magic to try. I suppose it would be safe to try considering you have a backup and the old machine. But if it were me, I would prefer to have my machine and user account in a known, good, unadulterated state.

Jan 6, 2016 8:09 AM in response to krijnpalm

I've an iMac 27" 5k, 16 GB RAM and a 2 TB Fusion Drive.

I've used the Migration Assistant to copy the data from my 2008 iMac with Mavericks and everything's fine.

After the 10.11.2 update I've forced the iMac to start with Internet Recovery, because doesn't load the OS anymore and now everything's fine.

Try to reinstall El Capitan, maybe you can fix your slowness troubles.


Best regards

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