Alsoft's Disk Warrior still can't rebuild APFS disks.

Alsoft's Disk Warrior still can't rebuild APFS disks. I'm running the latest version of Sierra. I would have gone up to High Sierra if Disk Warrior had a version out that could rebuild the catalog on my inner HD, which is an SSD. So, as an SSD, I believe it would be automatically converted to an APFS disk if I did upgrade.

Why am I asking about this here at Apple instead of over at Alsoft? Well, I have written to Alsoft twice. All I get back is a reference to a web page https://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/highsierraapfs.html

which says that their latest version can recognize but not repair APFS disks.

Disk Warrior has saved me a couple of times in the past, so I've been holding out for a new version.

I'm asking about this here because I'm wondering what others think or know about this situation. Is there some conflict between Apple and Alsoft? Why hasn't there been a version of Disk Warrior that can repair APFS disks?

Posted on Jul 19, 2018 2:15 PM

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Posted on Sep 27, 2018 8:02 AM

Emailed sales at Alsoft yesterday, got this reply:


"Thank you for contacting Alsoft. We are working on an update, but please understand that the APFS file system is the first file system change in 20 years. Because HFS+ and APFS are so different, it will take us some time to update the DiskWarrior application to be compatible with APFS. Just last week Apple provided the documentation that we need to safely repair an APFS disc. Yes, we (and all other developers as well) have been waiting on this documentation so that we could safely repair an APFS disc. If you visit our web site, you will see that we have updated it with information for Mojave and also the pending release of DiskWarrior 5.2.

https://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/highsierraapfs.html


DiskWarrior 5.2 will more gracefully deal with APFS. The Preview application in DiskWarrior will gain the ability to copy files to APFS disks when recovering data from a failing Mac OS Extended (HFS Plus) disk. The next major release of DiskWarrior will include the ability to rebuild APFS disks — this will be DiskWarrior 6"

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Jul 26, 2018 1:26 PM in response to Stephen Souza1

TRIM is the garbage collection process for SSDs. It is automatically enabled for Apple OEM SSDs and can be manually enabled for third party SSDs (except, it seems, the ones from OWC - I have them and they claim not to need it). You can also help the longevity of any SSD by leaving more empty space to make it easier to find places to write to as it does all read/write in blocks. If you do a search here, you'll find plenty of discussion on TRIM.


As for yours showing an arbitrary #9 out of 10 - it is surely wanting to find something to do to explain its existence..... Unless you have a major problem, I would not bother to run it.

Jul 26, 2018 2:15 PM in response to Stephen Souza1

I don't know what TRIM is.

TRIM is a way for the File System to tell the SSD that the blocks used by a just deleted file may be added to the SSD's garbage collection queue, and at the SSD's leisure, pre-cleaned so they are available for new writes.


TRIM increases the pool of available blocks the SSD can pre-clean for future writes, so that sustained writes of huge files will not need to wait for the SSD to do garbage collection in the middle of the write.

Jul 27, 2018 1:43 PM in response to ApMaX

Yes, DW has helped me and "saved" both my main HD and backup HDs. Once, using Apple's Disk Utility to try and save a disk, I got a message telling me to reformat the disk and begin again. (Can't remember the exact wording. It was something like that.) I used Disk Warrior on the disk and, after replacing the catalog with a new one, and correcting some other things, the disk was good to go again. So, it does seem to me that in some cases, DW can do things that Apple's Disk Utility can't do. Granted, this may not have been the Sierra OS. It may have been an earlier system, and I've no idea how good Apple's Disk Utility is in High Sierra, but I'm still reluctant to upgrade when DW isn't there to help with an SSD.

Jul 27, 2018 3:14 PM in response to ApMaX

No, I have not relation to Alsoft

My post never alluded to that.

I just don't trust any company that says, "look what we found. We can fix it for you for $$."

What I said is that I bet that if you try DiskWarrior, you will see that it finds and fixes many problems on any disk, including booting ones and Time Machine ones.

I have never had a drive that gave me any indication that anything was wrong, so I don't see any reason to pay for something that tells me something is wrong that cannot be detected in normal use.

If I don't sense any problems, and I run their program that tells me I have a wealth of problems and fixes them, how do I know those problems were problems and how do I see that it did any good?

As I've stated, my experience is I've never had a drive that needed any repair, short of the one that failed.

Jul 27, 2018 3:58 PM in response to Barney-15E

Quite simple. DiskWarrior reports no issues on disks that are OK, but finds and fixes problems on disks with them. A good disk will always generate no issue with DiskWarrior. Tested on thousands of Macs over the years. You do not have to purchase the application. Ask someone with it to try it. You will be surprised. Then purchase it if you want to use it.


As said, I have yet to check if that holds true for APFS disks (once DiskWarrior 6 supporting them is released), but it is certainly true for HFS+ ones. That is for sure.

Jul 27, 2018 11:57 PM in response to ApMaX

I forgot to say that DiskWarrior is capable of fixing disk problems that no other utility can do because it uses a unique approach. Instead of trying to patch the directory as others do, which may --and indeed does-- create more and serious problems sometimes, making the situation even worse and eventually rendering the disk completely unusable with all data lost, it rebuilds its directory from scratch. That is why it is so critical to run DiskWarrior first.

Jul 28, 2018 4:19 PM in response to Barney-15E

You said:

"All of my disks have generated no issue without DiskWarrior.

Again, what am I supposed to see going wrong with my disk that would warrant repairing with DiskWarrior."


You never know until you try. A disk may have a corrupt directory, files may be lost and you may not know if you do not try to access such files amongst the millions that the disk may contain. The only way to know is checking disk directory integrity and all files in the disk. That is what DiskWarrior does in minutes.

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