Wireless Carplay issues once moving to IOS 14, 14.0.1 and then 14.1 (No issue when I had IOS 13.7)

I have a 2021 Kia K5 and the first few weeks my iPhone XR worked fine with the wireless Carplay (With the K5 you have to use wireless, cannot be wired). During this time I was on the latest IOS 13 version 13.7 and had no issues. In Sept, I ungraded to IOS 14 and immediately started having issues with Carplay, I waited for 14.0.1 and then 14.1 to see if it would have a fix but still nothing. The problem I have is at random times, sometimes after only a few minutes, sometime 10 minutes, sometimes 20 minutes Carplay disconnect enough for the car to show an error that says "Phone Not Responding. Please reconnect it and try again." (see picture) when this happens I am usually running Spotify and Waze or Google Maps. It happens multiple times throughout the drive. Also the music does not stop and I can hear the turn by turn directions but have to hit OK and then the Apple Carplay button again to see the Map screen (Very annoying and not safe when trying to navigate to a destination. So it seems that the apps are still connected and running but the phone disconnects wirelessly just enough for the car not to see the phone and produce the error. I have tried all combinations of forgetting the network and Bluetooth connection and resetting each both on the car and phone. Renaming the phone connection, restarting the device etc. I have tried everything suggested on multiple Websites/Forums and on this forum. Nothing helps. I also notice that many other people are having this issue since IOS 14 has come out, this is not a random issue it is wide spread and is occurring on multiple car platforms. My question is has this issue been noted and is it being addressed in IOS 14.2? If not Apple has to make the signed IOS 13.7 version available so we can downgrade the working version until this is fixed. It is not only inconvenient it is a safety hazard.


Thank you,

Rich

iPhone XR

Posted on Oct 28, 2020 7:25 AM

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Posted on Jan 14, 2021 1:37 PM

The update to fix this issue is finally available. Your dealerships should be able to download it to a thumb drive and do the update. Mine was done today and so far so good, I drove about 15 miles with Waze and Spotify running and had no disconnects. Fingers crossed. Here is a print screen that describes the update if the dealership is unaware and needs to find the bulletin.

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Apr 22, 2021 10:28 PM in response to IronmanCamper

Before anyone asks - Yes I have read previous posts in this thread.


So I submitted an official complaint to Hyundai HQ worded as below;


"I took delivery of a 2021 Hyundai Santa Fe Active on January

14, 2021. I reported an issue with Wireless Apple CarPlay regularly

disconnecting the next week when I had the 1500 km service completed. I

contacted the Service department today (14 April) as a follow up to be advised that they

had no update and that the issue is yet to be resolved. This is extremely

frustrating especially as my vehicle has no "Wired" option available.

On further research it is evident that there are many other

Hyundai and Kia owners who are encountering this very same issue. Vehicle

reviews for both Hyundai and Kia recommend potential buyers take this issue

into consideration for models fitted with this Head unit. Not to mention the

potential safety issues associated with trying to use navigation apps

especially with unfamiliar city driving.

I am sure Hyundai can see how this is very damaging for your

reputation.

I believe that I have been very patient thus far, however I

believe that if a satisfactory solution is not found very soon that Hyundai

should consider, in good faith, refitting malfunctioning Head Units with units

that support Wired connection as a back up. "


Well I had a response from Hyundai today stating that this is an Apple issue and, by all accounts, a fix is being worked on. Unfortunately I will have to wait on an IOS update to be released.

Incidentally Wireless Android Auto continues to work perfectly fine.


I guess it's a case of Buyer beware - If you are attached to Apple devices and CarPlay perhaps look for another vehicle make or fork out the extra cash for a higher Trim model that supports wired CarPlay. Obviously not an option if you already own one.


For me, (my opinion only) given the fact that my handset is currently running IOS 14.4.2 and that neither party seems willing to own and fix the issue after more than 6 months, it seems to be much less aggravating & make more financial sense to defect to an Android device and get on with life.

This is my 4th Hyundai, I have never had any trouble, and the phone is cheaper to replace than the car. (again not a suggestion, just my opinion)


Depending on how strongly you feel about this issue and how much time and effort you are willing to expend, (providing you are in Australia) under Australian Consumer Law you may be entitled to -


"Repair, replacement or refund

You can ask a business for your preference of a free repair, replacement or refund, but you are not always entitled to one. For example, the consumer guarantees do not apply if you got what you asked for but simply changed your mind, found it cheaper somewhere else, decided you did not like the purchase or had no use for it.

See: Exceptions to consumer guarantees

If you have a minor problem with a product or service, the business can choose to give you a free repair instead of a replacement or refund. When you have a major problem with a product, you have the right to ask for your choice of a replacement or refund. For a major problem with a service, you can choose to receive compensation for the drop in value below the price paid, or a refund.

What is a major problem?

A product or good has a major problem when:

  • it has a problem that would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about it
  • it has multiple minor problems that, when taken as a whole, would have stopped someone from buying it if they’d known about them
  • it is significantly different from the sample or description
  • it is substantially unfit for its common purpose and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time
  • it doesn’t do what you asked for and can’t easily be fixed within a reasonable time; or
  • it is unsafe."


Link below;

https://www.accc.gov.au/consumers/consumer-rights-guarantees/repair-replace-refund#what-is-a-major-problem-


That said you will still have to wait for either party to admit to, or for it to be proven, who is at fault in this case.


bon voyage!

Nov 30, 2020 10:07 AM in response to kayone007

Hello kayone,


Apple is not here on this user to user only forum. Just other users. So we cannot fix anything for you.


You can provide feedback to Apple directly via this link --> https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

You can contact Apple Support by clicking the Contact Support Button at the top of this page

If in the US, you can call Apple at 800-MY-APPLE

Jan 5, 2021 10:41 AM in response to StevieiMac51

I just left Kia dealership in United States (Texas) after reporting same issue with CarPlay. Was told it is an Apple issue with latest update (IOS 14). Showed them this thread and also told them that my wife’s phone running IOS 13.7 did same thing although not as frequently (started acting up about 2 hours into trip). My next step is to contact Apple.



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Jan 8, 2021 8:41 PM in response to Firedoc1234

Fredoc, it’s very possible that a change in iOS scheduling exposed a flaw in the Kia implementation. This happens all the time in the software industry. I’ve seen it happen when a vendor cuts corners because they “discover” a hack that lets them get to market faster. Later someone who is following the API spec makes a legitimate change (for instance in how tasks are scheduled) and the race condition outcome that the hack was exploiting and relying on isn’t there anymore and now the hack fails. I trust Apple engineers that developed ACP and its protocols a heck of a lot more than the low bidder crew Kia probably farmed out the ACP implementation to.

Jan 28, 2021 6:48 AM in response to ishant241

Kia performed update yesterday. My wife has iOS 14.3 on her phone. On her drive home from the dealership the screen on the infotainment system went black twice. I have iOS 14.4 on my phone and went out and test drove the K5. To my surprise I had no issues at all. Did the Kia update and iOS update work? I don’t know but 2 days ago I had iOS 14.3 on my phone and the infotainment system would disconnect every 2 minutes or so. I’ll post updates.

Feb 22, 2021 2:22 AM in response to Tessa_eu218

Tessa you should show them this feed. We took our Seltos for a the first service and they were aware of the issue and upgraded the system as another post had stated. It has improved but I tried to listen to a pod cast today and it dropped out straight away. I do believe it’s a software issue and the Apple system is not pairing with the Kia software. Both companies need to sort this out. I would like to know if people with Android phones have the same issue. I can’t believe the Kia dealer has not heard about this problem?

Apr 23, 2021 5:42 AM in response to Dfitzg0u812

Of course Hyundai is going to deflect it to Apple. There is a flaw with your logic though. No other car manufacturer/model head unit is dealing with this issue. The iPhone is the same in a BMW, a Ford, or a Hyundai. The phone doesn't know or care what car it is in. It's just works off the same potocols. It is upon the car manufacturer to make it's system work with those protocols. I know its not my phone as it does not disconnect in my wife's car. And for what it is worth I got a completely different response from Kia. They told me they are aware of the issue and working on an update.

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