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DAC doesn't show the correct quality information with Apple Music on MacOS

The DAC does not show the correct stream quality information. This seems to be related to the lack of "exclusive access" of the DAC in Apple Music settings, seems. The DAC shows only quality info corresponding to what is set in MIDI settings, as it simply get an "aggregated" PCM mix, including all the system sounds.

How then correctly propagate the PCM signaling information to the DAC? Will there be an "exclusive access" mode in Apple Music setting, such as for other similar services/players (Tidal, Qobuz, Audirvana)?

Despite the info in the Apple Music player, one can hardly verify what quality is actually propagated to the DAC. I understand, it is working correctly on Apple Music on iOS? but this is not the point, right?

Thanks for feedback

R.



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Posted on Jun 8, 2021 6:00 AM

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Posted on Jun 8, 2021 10:48 AM

Apple Music app on MacOS does NOT do "EXCLUSIVE MODE"

Meaning, the application itself will not "take over" and stream to your DAC with the native bitrate of the music you're playing via Apple Music.

It will ONLY follow a fixed bit rate which you have set on Audio MIDI Setup for the connected DAC.

For example if you set Audio MIDI Setup for your $15k DAC from Nagra at 96k/24bit, all your music played from Apple Music App on your Macbook will be streamed at 96k/24bit, doesn't matter if the track itself is 44.1k or 96k.

Bottomline, playing music from Apple Music App using a Macbook is not bit-perfect, as it will resampled by whatever fixed setting at Audio MIDI Setup.

Using other player, for example Roon, which has "exclusive" mode will ignore sampling rate setting from Audio MIDI Setup and play tracks matching the material sample rate, up to the max supported bitrate of your DAC.


Playing on iOS, on the other hand, is bit-perfect, aka, no resampling. I've tried connecting my iPhone 11 Pro Max to an external DAC and the DAC displaying matching bitrate of the track.

Which is a shame on Apple how they have missed this on the MacOS Apple Music app.

It is not a OS level issue, they just need to upgrade the Apple Music App to have an "exclusive mode" just like what Roon has MacOS App.


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Sep 7, 2021 1:28 PM in response to RRos26

Rest assured that anything that is passed through the mixer of the OS is degraded a bit.

Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon Music HD… they all have no bit-accurate mode either in their own apps. Because bypassing the OS is a difficult task, and only sound enthusiasts with expensive DACs hear the difference.

If You want bit-accurate output, You‘ll have to use Audirvana or Jriver and live with the few streaming services they support.

Sep 8, 2021 12:59 AM in response to andremu

There is a difference between „Exclusive Mode“ and bit-accurate pass-through. Exclusive Mode just allows the app itself to use the OS routines exclusively, preventing other apps from interfering with the mixer, while Qobuz / Tidal / Amazon Music are playing.

It is a small improvement, but it‘s still not lossless and hence not replacing paid software like Audirvana or Jriver.

Qobuz e.g. temporarily switches the OS MIDI settings so that Your DAC will show the correct bitrate. Amazon Music, in exclusive mode, stays with the bitrate that is configured in the OS settings. I haven‘t used Tidal for a while because MQA is not lossless anyway, but their exclusive mode will do the same and uses OS routines to transport the stream.

The term „losless“ and „exclusive“ are often used buzzwords and you need to dig deep into technical details to find our what you actually get.

Again, the question is, do You really notice a difference. And that totally depends on Your equipment (DAC, Speakers etc.). For most people, app-exclusive mode should be fair enough. But You cannot tell unless You have heard the same on Audirvana or Jriver which are bit-accurate and do a comparison on Your own equipment.

Sep 8, 2021 1:29 AM in response to Eprom1

My screenshots of Qobuz and Tidal MacOS apps don't show the full picture - what also happens is that whatever is coming from the stream library is then passed through unresampled to the external DAC (and yes, I'm not talking about MQA here - that's a whole different bag of hurt). The Qobuz screenshot shows a Hires song streaming in, through Qobuz app, to my external DAC, at 192k/24. The external App also shows the same data rate. You are correct, Qobuz is controlling Apple Midi and switching the rate to match the source, but the result is the same - no resampling.


It should be trivial for Apple Music to at least do the same.


I also have Roon (similar in some respects to Audirvana and JRiver), which is my preferred way to play Qobuz and Tidal sources. It provides a setting to take exclusive control of the external USB DAC, which is what I'm hoping Apple will implement for their Apple Music player, without which their lossless music offering remains incomplete.


All I am asking from Apple is for them to make it seamless for me to stream their lossless music in a bit perfect fashion to my DAC equipment. I cannot do that with Apple Music right now, because I have to fiddle with Apple Midi to set the rates equal to stop it from doing a resample.

Sep 8, 2021 2:44 AM in response to andremu

As long as the data is passed through the OS routines, it‘s not bit-accurate. Esp. when the OS-based volume control is still functional.

If you search for „WASAPI vs. ASIO“ you will find a similar discussion for Microsoft Windows Systems on the web. It‘s a different OS but the caveats are the same.

I have not tried roon myself, but people complaining that it might not be bit-accurate either under the hood keep me from trying it at the moment. Do a web search for „Audirvana vs roon“ if you wish to dig deeper.

However, I have never seen complaints about Audirvana, so I will stick with it for now. In case Apple will ever decide to implement a bit-accurate feature in Apple Music in future, I will do a side-by-side comparison with some hi-res audio and post it here.

Oct 1, 2021 4:19 PM in response to Eprom1

I observed that  Music via AirPlay 2 can be used with- our without using the built-in mixer in MacOS:

Open Music, click on the AirPlay Symbol in the top right corner and then chose a wireless AirPlay 2 Device for direct output instead of the audio path via the computer.

The MacOS master volume and all mixer controls will become inactive and the audio stream is not even visible in Audio MIDI Setup (which is a good sign).

Unfortunately, my AirPlay 2 Speaker used for testing does not have a bitrate display, thus I cannot verify whether or not the stream is converted in transit. Anybody reading this can possibly verify and post his/her observation here?


PS: this "direct" mode cannot be enabled on AirPods/Pro.


PPS: The external Airplay 2-compatible amplifier will expose its own volume control, which is a bit laggy over a WiFi network. Under some circumstances, the volume was suddenly set to 100% (!) Seems to be a bug in the Music App.

DAC doesn't show the correct quality information with Apple Music on MacOS

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