"Enter your passcode to trust this computer and start a backup." Every time iPhone is on charge.

After the upgrade to iOS 16.1 from iOS 15.7, with no other changes to my paired iMac, my iPhones now both routinely ask me to type in my passcode to trust this computer and start a backup. This happens whenever the device is put on charge, even if only to AC power, and the sync and backup happens over Wi-Fi. Why, and how do I put a stop to it so it goes back to the iOS 15 and expected behaviour of doing the sync and backup over Wi-Fi automatically and immediately when the device is put on charge?


I've looked around and tried various solutions, all to nothing. I reset privacy and network settings, repaired over USB, restarted everything, etc. It's still happening.

iPhone 13 Pro Max, iOS 16

Posted on Oct 31, 2022 2:20 PM

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Nov 13, 2022 6:29 AM in response to DollaDollaBillsYall

"...It doesn't randomly sync with your phone while it's on battery, that'd be ridiculous. The "show when on Wi-Fi" will obviously not affect iPhone battery life..."


You are probably correct regarding the time it is actually backing up, but in the context of the original question


"...routinely asks me to type in my passcode to trust this computer and start a backup. This happens whenever the device is put on charge..."


it is is relevant to the discussion.

You would be welcome to answer other questions regularly on the forum. We are all volunteers.

Nov 13, 2022 5:39 PM in response to DollaDollaBillsYall

Thanks for that. Now, if only Google were good enough to find that thread. Very, very unfortunate, and I think that's clearly and obviously incorrect behaviour. I'll contact Apple Support to confirm as well, but it looks pretty solid. It's also deeply insidious that you can't turn backups off; the choice is between leaving them on and getting prompted to enter your passcode, or leaving them on and using iCloud, for which there is in all probability a fee for most users. Perhaps all those not seeing this should check if they're using iCloud for backups, since the only other explanation is that they aren't syncing. And let's be honest, the intersection of users still using both local backups and sync is probably small enough that this issue just hasn't received that much attention.

Nov 15, 2022 12:55 AM in response to LD150

Then shouldn't this "feature" be turned off after a single trust for Macs that have FileVault on? Unless Apple has been skimping on security for their consumer computers. Plus this change doesn't do anything new to prevent local backup data from a computer from being synced TO an iPhone. It doesn't even add any new encryption to an iPhone backup on a computer, which was already encrypted at another layer on top of FileVault. A thief would require all 3: your computer passcode, your FileVault key, and your iPhone encrypted backup password. This only adds the mere appearance of security by requiring a passcode entry that doesn't actually encrypt anything.

Nov 15, 2022 3:45 AM in response to DollaDollaBillsYall

In my consumer opinion, it is an update that just cause inconvenience. Apple, please reverese that or allow to modify it in the setings or with the face ID. This update does not change the encryption, it just limit the users who regularly backup phones in their PCs. Sometimes IOS updates bring innovation, but more than often afects a product that was working fine. I wonder how is this feature in droid telephones?

Nov 15, 2022 9:04 PM in response to sgucukoglu

What's interesting is that after the backup, if you disconnect the phone, and a few minutes later reconnect it, as always, it begins to back it up again. And, again asks for the password, which makes no sense because the same phone is connecting to the same computer...and they both know that. So in the end, it looks like this problem is a bug.


And just for fun, as an odd fact that many don't know: we use the term "bug" because, way back when lots of equipment used relay logic, the relays at the time weren't sealed. So, a bug sometimes got into the machine and was sitting between a contact pair when the relay energized, mashing the bug and preventing contact. In time, it became a joke. When a problem showed up the tech would laugh and say, "Time to debug the machine." The term stuck, and is still in use, though few know why.

Nov 16, 2022 8:36 AM in response to Jaimito_November11

"....In my consumer opinion, it is an update that just cause inconvenience. Apple, please reverese that or allow to modify it in the setings or with the face ID. ..."


Everyone on here, me, Lawrence, are consumers like you. Apple are not here to read your request. You are welcome to do that on this link. https://apple.com/feedback

If the dropdown does not have your iOS version leave it blank and type it in the text of the feature request.

Nov 19, 2022 12:37 PM in response to dmdx86

Well, you are wrong. Data between your device and iCloud is end to end encrypted. Actually, ALL data in and out of an iOS device is end to end encrypted. And iCloud itself is encrypted in storage. The vulnerability is that your Apple ID and password is the encryption key, so it is essential to protect them and use 2 factor authentication.


But it can still be more secure than your computer, which can be stolen or seized by law enforcement.


I wonder about why some setups request the iPhone passcode. Mine doesn’t for any of my 4 iOS devices, so what makes it different? And all of them back up automatically. All on iOS 16.

Nov 19, 2022 12:40 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

As mentioned before, the computer can be encrypted with FileVault and your password, and on top of that, the local backup is encrypted with an encryption password. In fact, this is more secure than Apple's iCloud backup, which is not end-to-end encrypted, so "law enforcement" can access your iCloud backup data, but will have a harder time with your backup on your computer.


For your other devices, can you check if they're on iOS 16.1? Maybe they're at a lower version of iOS 16.

Nov 19, 2022 4:19 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

Lawrence, Apple’s own support page indicates most iCloud data including backups are not E2E encrypted. Is Apple’s own support page wrong?


iCloud security overview - Apple Support


Here’s the difference between *me* owning my data and Apple owning my data: if LE wants my data, they have to execute a warrant on my property that I will know about and I can challenge in court. If LE wants data from iCloud, it is much easier and I may not even become aware, especially if a court grants a gag request upon Apple not to tell me.

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