Two Message Toggles In iOS 15.5

Here is another thread linked to the same thing iOS 15.5-Photos and messages listed twice… - Apple Community

I also have switched mine off. Left it for a few days. Nothing happened. Then toggled back on and as you said, no indication of disable and download like the first toggle. My messages seem to still be in the cloud whether I have that second toggled on or not.

what is more peculiar is my iPhone 8 on 15.5 that I use for an iPod and new iPad on 15.5 only have duplicate photo settings. No messages. But I also do not use messages on either of those devices.

will let you know if I hear anything.

I only use messages on my main phone. The 13 pro. The other two devices are logged in with the same Apple ID but I have never chose to turn messages on or sync messages from the cloud to either device. Not sure if that makes sense?

The old 8 had been wiped for years and only a few months ago I rebuilt as new and use it as an iPod. The iPad was purchased in March and rebuilt as new and I use mostly for internet surfing and a few games.

Only toggles I have turned on for the cloud on the 8 and iPad are contacts, calendars and notes.

But you would be correct, this seems like a sporadic thing. I have asked a few people I know with various models and only a few have the duplicate photos and/or messages toggles.

I fired up my old 11, which is the device I used prior to this phone, there are no duplicate iCloud settings on that device. This device had been disabled for at least a month when it comes to messages in the cloud. I wanted to start from practically nothing on the new phone. All are on 15.5.

levelist wrote:

Side note: iCloud KeyChain was ON by default on the SE even though I never setup KeyChain all these years. Weird.

If I remember correctly, when someone turns on KeyChain, they need to create a password for it. So I don’t know why it was on by default for a newly reset iPhone.

If you have 2 factor authentication for your Apple ID Keychain is on by default. Its password is your device passcode or Face ID on each device that can access iCloud and has Keychain enabled. Thus, on a Mac it will be your user login password or Touch ID if your Mac has that feature.

To access Keychain content on an iOS device go to Settings/Passwords.

I’ve just asked in the Lounge (the level 6+ private forum with direct access to Apple’s forum team). If I learn anything I’ll update here if it doesn’t violate NDA.

And any software beyond very basic has bugs. As iOS is hundreds of millions of lines of code it probably has tens of thousands of bugs, some known, some not yet discovered, some serious, some trivial, most just annoying. As you can never eliminate all bugs, standard practice is to list them in a database and sort on severity, then start fixing them from the most severe down. When you get down to an acceptable level of severity you release the product.

It’s complicated by the fact that every time you fix a bug there’s a probability of introducing new bugs. There is actually measurement for this; maturity quotient, the ratio of new bugs to fixed bugs. If you only introduce a new bug 50% of the time when you fix a bug, that’s an MQ of 0.5. When the average MQ gets above 1.0 it’s time to rewrite the code from scratch. And, as iOS is now 15 years old, its MQ must be getting pretty high 😈

Same here. I don’t really have any idea either or claim expertise. I came here to ask because Apple hasn’t been able to help yet, then I found that other thread where the person claims Apple couldn’t find any functional use for the second toggle. Then what is it?

I feel like iOS has been buggy for years. I recently switched to a new phone for continuous system data issues. Knock on wood, seems, keyword “seems”, not to be a problem on this device.

I feel like if it’s a genuine bug or glitch Apple should know about it. As for keychain, I have never activated it on any device I own. But I know if I admit this people will be super critical, I do not use Face ID or a passcode.

Thank you! This one in particular just seems to be an annoyance if there is no functional use for the duplicates. I just more or less want to know if I am fine leaving the second message toggle off. 😂

It’s a personal choice to use a passcode. If you have nothing on your phone that you would be upset about if someone who found or stole your phone saw, and you don’t care that the finder could run up $thousands calling China using your lost or stolen phone then you don’t need a passcode.

If I was actually going somewhere other than to work (at a funeral home) and home I would most likely use one. If I was to go out of my realms of normal, such as a vacation or out of state which rarely happens, I would probably activate a passcode.

I had a passcode in the past and found it a nuisance when a younger sibling would try to get into my phone and lock me out for 24 hours. But yes personal preference and understand your logic. Good advice!

I also believe Face ID isn’t entirely reliable. I can unlock a coworkers phone with my face and we look nothing alike. So a passcode seems most reliable for max security.